Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Isles of Scilly/1
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- Result: Delisted. CMD (talk) 01:35, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Despite being passed as GA in 2022 it doesn't seem this article ever met the criteria; there is considerable unsourced content. (t · c) buidhe 07:29, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- I know, I was hoping that I'd get some feedback from the reviewer on areas to improve on, but they seemed to be just as new to GA reviewing as I was, and flagged it through with no improvements, so I put it up for reassessment. I am in a good position to source and improve the article, I have a lot of offline sources on the topic, so I'll get round to ensuring everything is properly sourced. (Although I'm a bit busy IRL, so it could be a couple of days before I start) :) HenryTemplo (talk) 08:37, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Lots of work could be done. Existing content obviously needs sourcing, and many areas could use some sort of expansion to fix choppy prose. The Ancient monuments and historic buildings as an extreme example, is not even prose. (I'm sure there is some stuff to say about them, there is surely a thematic historical or cultural theme or themes.) There are plenty of UK Geography Good Articles, have a look through those and see if there are any good ideas or good ways of writing certain parts of the article. CMD (talk) 10:06, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the advice! HenryTemplo (talk) 10:59, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Lots of work could be done. Existing content obviously needs sourcing, and many areas could use some sort of expansion to fix choppy prose. The Ancient monuments and historic buildings as an extreme example, is not even prose. (I'm sure there is some stuff to say about them, there is surely a thematic historical or cultural theme or themes.) There are plenty of UK Geography Good Articles, have a look through those and see if there are any good ideas or good ways of writing certain parts of the article. CMD (talk) 10:06, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hi HenryTemplo, unless huge progress is made in the next few days, the article will be delisted. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:08, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- I know, I just haven't been able to find the time yet to sit down and work through it all (with all my books!). I'm not terrifically fussed if the article is delisted or not though, but I'll see what I can do in the next few days (I know what needs doing, it's finding the time to do it that's the issue!). Have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 12:12, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- Imo the GAR should be kept open as long as improvements are being made. Although in this case it may be that closing and renominating might be the fastest route to genuinely being a GA. (t · c) buidhe 17:14, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm keeping open GARs where improvements are being made, but I pinged because the article hadn't been edited in five days. I'll judge when the time comes. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:28, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- HenryTemplo, if you let us know your timeline, I'm sure we can keep this open for longer than usual. The best outcome of a GAR is for an article to be saved :). —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:01, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for that, I'd appreciate a little bit more time! I hope to do some editing this evening, focusing on finding citations using my collection of offline sources, then move on to expanding sections (The history section is definitely not complete, it completely misses the 19th century). If I don't get that all done this evening then I should be able to do a little on Wednesday and Thursday night, and potentially Saturday and Sunday as well. Sorry for the late reply, I haven't been checking my watchlist as much as of late. Have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 13:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- Hi HenryTemplo, any updates? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry for not keeping to my schedule! I was able to do a bit of work the Sunday before last, but then I realised the full extent of the improvements needed! The History section is woefully incomplete (it fails to mention any of the events of the 19th century), the Economy section needs updating (much of the section is sourced from integrated area plans and strategies from the early 00s, as well as primary sources from organisation's websites), and I'm worried about the scope of the article; I personally think that there should be separate articles for History and potentially transport, as both these topics are far to broad to adequately cover in this article. Additionally, I have struggled finding sources! Much of the current prose is written in quite a general, vague tone, making it rather difficult to source claims such as "Tourism is also a highly seasonal industry owing to its reliance on outdoor recreation, and the lower number of tourists in winter results in a significant constriction of the islands' commercial activities.". I could tell you that extract was true, based on my knowledge of Scilly, but I'm not a reliable source, and trying to find a reliable source for that specific claim is quite difficult, despite my collection of local history books. I could rewrite the offending extract, but this type of prose is so common I would have to rewrite large portions of the article, something I unfortunately have time for. However, if any experienced or less time restricted editors would want to help improve the article, I would be more than willing to help point them in the right direction in terms of sources, coverage, etc. I also may be able to do some editing next week, when I will have more time!
- TLDR: I severely underestimated the time and resources needed to sort out this article! HenryTemplo (talk) 13:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Henry, it sounds like you've got a pretty good idea of what needs doing, especially if you're feeling a need to spin off history and transport. That is a good sign. Unfortunately, that makes me suspect you're probably right when you suggest how much work needs doing, and how much time that might take! GAR is not a great place for time-pressured work, so if it's alright with you, this should close as a delist and you can continue to work on the article at your leisure (and the history and transport articles?), and renominate once all that work has been done. CMD (talk) 13:49, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, your probably right! As I've previously said, I don't really mind wether it stays GA or not, the article probably didn't fit the criteria to begin with! I'm grateful for all the help and pointers on how to improve, its very much appreciated! I'll try and do some editing on the article if and when I find the time, but it'll probably end up being a long term project. Anyway, have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 19:57, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Henry, it sounds like you've got a pretty good idea of what needs doing, especially if you're feeling a need to spin off history and transport. That is a good sign. Unfortunately, that makes me suspect you're probably right when you suggest how much work needs doing, and how much time that might take! GAR is not a great place for time-pressured work, so if it's alright with you, this should close as a delist and you can continue to work on the article at your leisure (and the history and transport articles?), and renominate once all that work has been done. CMD (talk) 13:49, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi HenryTemplo, any updates? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for that, I'd appreciate a little bit more time! I hope to do some editing this evening, focusing on finding citations using my collection of offline sources, then move on to expanding sections (The history section is definitely not complete, it completely misses the 19th century). If I don't get that all done this evening then I should be able to do a little on Wednesday and Thursday night, and potentially Saturday and Sunday as well. Sorry for the late reply, I haven't been checking my watchlist as much as of late. Have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 13:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- HenryTemplo, if you let us know your timeline, I'm sure we can keep this open for longer than usual. The best outcome of a GAR is for an article to be saved :). —Femke 🐦 (talk) 19:01, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm keeping open GARs where improvements are being made, but I pinged because the article hadn't been edited in five days. I'll judge when the time comes. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:28, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Imo the GAR should be kept open as long as improvements are being made. Although in this case it may be that closing and renominating might be the fastest route to genuinely being a GA. (t · c) buidhe 17:14, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- I know, I just haven't been able to find the time yet to sit down and work through it all (with all my books!). I'm not terrifically fussed if the article is delisted or not though, but I'll see what I can do in the next few days (I know what needs doing, it's finding the time to do it that's the issue!). Have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 12:12, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
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