Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/1920 Palestine riots/1
- Result: Delist. Geometry guy 09:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Reviewed for GA Sweeps. Neutrality is my concern here. My background tells me that something is off about this article, though I'm finding it difficult to put my finger on it. At the very least the lead, aside from being incomplete per WP:LEAD, does not seem to reflect the article and could certainly be reworded to be more neutral than it currently is. It also lacks anything from the second half of the "Aftermath" section, which tries to balance the article a little more. Beyond that, however, I'd like to see what other think about the neutrality. In addition, another significant concern is that a lot of the key points lack citations and the prose gets very choppy at times, especially around the 1-2 sentence paragraphs. Overall, I fell that there are significant concerns, but I want to make sure I'm not being paranoid or holding it to too high standards. Cheers, CP 02:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
- Hi,
- I didn't collaborate on the redaction of this article (it has long been protected) but I am currently working on the fr version to make a GA/FA. (See : fr:Émeutes de 1920 en Palestine mandataire if you understand French).
- I don't see major non-neutrality issue in the lead. Maybe the wordings could be changed and the casualities added.
- Most is based on Tom Segev, One Palestine, Complete, which is a reference on the period.
- It is true that the article is uncomplete or a little bit misleading but in comparison with its size, it gives all the main information.
- The main critic I would make are :
- the lack of details on the context : 1. the nationalist conflict between Zionists and Arabs - 2. The struggle between Fayçal and French for Great Syria (ie, Syria and Palestine). The riots were instigated 15 days before San Remo conference to try to influence allied decisions.
- the role of Jabotinsky "defense group" that initiated the creation of Haganah.
- Ceedjee (talk) 09:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
- delist. It doens't comply with the current criteria for a GA, mainly concering the notes and references. Ceedjee (talk) 14:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
- Delist. It doesn't meet WP:LEAD at the moment. The notes and references are basically okay: this is a clear case of an article written primarily from a single reliable source, and readers are unlikely to have any doubt about where to go to verify the article. It would be helpful if individual page references were given for each citation (this is an advantage of the notes and references structure adopted by the article), but this is not a GA requirement. However, footnote 4 needs to be sourced in more detail, and the first reference is lacking a year. Geometry guy 18:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
- Which is also another point that makes me question the neutrality of this article... no article like this should be written mostly from one source. Also, I think in an article as potentially controversial as this, a one citation per paragraph requirement is an absolute minimum. I don't know why I'm commenting, since I obviously brought it because I thought it should be delisted, and thus agree with your final !vote, but I suppose I want to make sure that it's delisted for the right reasons. Cheers, CP 04:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- It lacks other references. Indeed. 90% is a "summary" of Segev's book. But, in practice, Segev respects (without knowing this) our policy of NPoV and give different minds without giving his own. The only controverses I know concern the words used to describe the events (riots - pogrom - burst of spontaneous violence - confrontation - ...) and British alleged complicity that relies "only" on one primary source (Meinertzhagen testimony) but that is credited by many historians. The article can be considered NPoV (and there is no pov-tag). It is just too short and lack enough cross-references so that the reader can be sure it is NPoV. Ceedjee (talk) 12:20, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- Which is also another point that makes me question the neutrality of this article... no article like this should be written mostly from one source. Also, I think in an article as potentially controversial as this, a one citation per paragraph requirement is an absolute minimum. I don't know why I'm commenting, since I obviously brought it because I thought it should be delisted, and thus agree with your final !vote, but I suppose I want to make sure that it's delisted for the right reasons. Cheers, CP 04:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)