Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates/Le trompeur trompé
A thoroughly professional recording of a fine, if obscure opera. Lyrics are provided. They translate pretty easily, I'll do that tomorrow.
- Nominate and support. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
- Question How do we know this is a 'fine' opera? Has it been performed in the last 100 years? Is there a recording? Has any music survived other than this aria? I've been looking and I can't find anything. --Kleinzach 04:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- You're the one who owns Grove and is the head of the Opera project. I'd have thought you had more resources to hand on 17th century (the 18th centuryt starts in 1801) French opera than I did - almost all my sources are on Victorian English opera. I suspect the music does survive - why would one aria alone survive? but suspect it would be far easier to find information in France. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 16:15, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thousands and thousands of operas have been written, performed or not performed, lost and forgotten. Sometimes the music is preserved in libraries but often not. Grove is the largest work on opera in the English language but it only covers the 2,000 most notable works. Grove covers Pierre Gaveaux - because of his importance as a singer and the connection with Fidelio - but the biography doesn't mention Le trompeur trompé. Nevertheless you decided to write an article on it - hence my questions. --Kleinzach 03:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- At the very least, this aria was professionally recorded. The composer is reasonably notable, andd I found information on the opera fairly easy to find. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 10:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- And yet you don't know whether any music has survived, other than this aria! I'm underwhelmed. --Kleinzach 05:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
- At the very least, this aria was professionally recorded. The composer is reasonably notable, andd I found information on the opera fairly easy to find. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 10:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thousands and thousands of operas have been written, performed or not performed, lost and forgotten. Sometimes the music is preserved in libraries but often not. Grove is the largest work on opera in the English language but it only covers the 2,000 most notable works. Grove covers Pierre Gaveaux - because of his importance as a singer and the connection with Fidelio - but the biography doesn't mention Le trompeur trompé. Nevertheless you decided to write an article on it - hence my questions. --Kleinzach 03:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
- You're the one who owns Grove and is the head of the Opera project. I'd have thought you had more resources to hand on 17th century (the 18th centuryt starts in 1801) French opera than I did - almost all my sources are on Victorian English opera. I suspect the music does survive - why would one aria alone survive? but suspect it would be far easier to find information in France. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 16:15, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- Question How do we know this is a 'fine' opera? Has it been performed in the last 100 years? Is there a recording? Has any music survived other than this aria? I've been looking and I can't find anything. --Kleinzach 04:48, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. Notability not established. --Kleinzach 05:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
- Support If it is notable for the encyclopedia and improves the artilces it is in it is notable enough to be featured. Zginder 2008-09-16T13:03Z (UTC)
- Oppose. So thus far, there's one functional support, isnt' there. Can we work out how the policy of notability applies to sound files, please? I'm confused. This is a good performance, although it's a pity the clarinet is so closely miked—the chalumeau isn't flattering, and there are a few breathy phrases; odd, since the tone elsewhere is beautiful. If this work was an opera (again, no link), surely this is some strange kind of reduction of the orchestral parts for piano and clarinet; the info page says nothing. Again, we all need to read WP:DASH to get it right for year ranges. Spaced or unspaced? Hyphen or en dash? You tell me. Surely Levine should be linked; and doesn't the composer have a dedicated article? Tony (talk) 06:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
- I believe it's an early form of what would later be known as a chamber opera, done with only a few instruments. Anyway, we have a good recording of an opera by a reasonably notable composer. I think that it compellingly illustrates his article, it was a commercial release on historical instruments, and I think it should pass. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:52, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
- Given the continuo it's almost certainly a scaled-down arrangement. The opera is an opéra comique, there's a short article, also Category:opéras comiques with 65 examples including Carmen. Nothing to do with chamber opera. It's pleasantly sung and very enjoyable . . . but that's not the point, is it? --Kleinzach 09:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know. It could be the point. I mean, it certtainly illustrates Pierre Gaveaux well, and that's probably all it needs to. =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 10:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
- No, no, it doesn't illustrate Pierre Gaveaux well! That's the point. It's not one of his notable works! We should have something from Léonore or Sophie et Moncars - though even these don't have articles. --Kleinzach 10:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know. It could be the point. I mean, it certtainly illustrates Pierre Gaveaux well, and that's probably all it needs to. =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 10:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
- Given the continuo it's almost certainly a scaled-down arrangement. The opera is an opéra comique, there's a short article, also Category:opéras comiques with 65 examples including Carmen. Nothing to do with chamber opera. It's pleasantly sung and very enjoyable . . . but that's not the point, is it? --Kleinzach 09:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
- I believe it's an early form of what would later be known as a chamber opera, done with only a few instruments. Anyway, we have a good recording of an opera by a reasonably notable composer. I think that it compellingly illustrates his article, it was a commercial release on historical instruments, and I think it should pass. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:52, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
- Support - Good recording, has potential to be used well inside other parts of the project. Xavexgoem (talk) 23:37, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Promoted Pierre Gaveaux - Polacca from the opera Le Trompeur Trompé.ogg. --MZMcBride (talk) 00:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)