Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/St. Mary of the Immaculate Conception
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 7 Apr 2013 at 13:29:21 (UTC)
- Reason
- aesthetically pleasing, high resolution
- Articles in which this image appears
- Los Gatos, California
- FP category for this image
- places
- Creator
- DavidLeighEllis
- Support as nominator --DavidLeighEllis (talk) 13:29, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose EV is currently lacking, and the photo's colors look over-saturated. This might be appropriate for a Commons FP if the color issue was fixed. --Pine✉ 18:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry about the color saturation issue; that's just a faithful representation of how the church looks to me. I concede that I may have some bias in that respect. Of course, editors are welcome to modify it, and replace the article usage with the modified version, if they think the church more dull and plain. Personally viewing the church when empty might be a good idea, but isn't strictly required. Please don't upload a modification over the existing file, however, because that will break my userpage. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 21:56, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
- Do also note that I look with this picture with entirely natural light, which is admitted to the church solely through brightly colored stained glass windows, with the exception of the two skylights at the altar. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 22:10, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
- Hm. If you look at the candle on the left side of the image near the icon of Mary, see how bright that is? Maybe what I'm seeing is overexposure rather than over-saturation, but I can't believe that a candle flame would be that bright. I also just noticed how slanted the hanging lights are at the upper right and upper left corners of the image, so I think you'd need to fix. Finally, even with those issues fixed, the EV is seriously lacking right now. Can you think of some other article where this image would have higher EV? --Pine✉ 03:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
- The photo was a 30 second exposure at f11, iso 100. In such low light, it is entirely possible for a candle flame to be that bright relative to its background. The slanting of the lights is a byproduct of their circular shape and heavy rectilinear perspective from the 14mm (FX) focal length, which no overall persective or lens distortion correction can fix. Individually fudging the perspective on particular objects in images is difficult, and frowned upon. If I placed the image in Roman Catholic Diocese of San Jose in California, would that resolve the EV issue? DavidLeighEllis (talk) 04:21, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
- I guess I'm ok with the flame, but the colors just seem off to me, perhaps it's because of the low lighting and long exposure. As for the lights, an FPC some time ago failed because of slanted towers and I think the same standard would apply here to slanted lights. As for EV, unless this photo is an especially notable sanctuary for the diocese, I think that placement in Roman Catholic Diocese of San Jose in California won't help with the EV deficit. A photo of the diocese's cathedral would be more likely to have sufficient EV for the diocese article. The only way I can see this photo passing the EV test is if the church where this sanctuary is located has high enough EV to get its own article or if the sanctuary was referenced in some notable newsworthy event that has its own article. My guess is that it would be easier to pass the EV test with photos of the cathedral. --Pine✉ 06:25, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
- The photo was a 30 second exposure at f11, iso 100. In such low light, it is entirely possible for a candle flame to be that bright relative to its background. The slanting of the lights is a byproduct of their circular shape and heavy rectilinear perspective from the 14mm (FX) focal length, which no overall persective or lens distortion correction can fix. Individually fudging the perspective on particular objects in images is difficult, and frowned upon. If I placed the image in Roman Catholic Diocese of San Jose in California, would that resolve the EV issue? DavidLeighEllis (talk) 04:21, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hm. If you look at the candle on the left side of the image near the icon of Mary, see how bright that is? Maybe what I'm seeing is overexposure rather than over-saturation, but I can't believe that a candle flame would be that bright. I also just noticed how slanted the hanging lights are at the upper right and upper left corners of the image, so I think you'd need to fix. Finally, even with those issues fixed, the EV is seriously lacking right now. Can you think of some other article where this image would have higher EV? --Pine✉ 03:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose The church isn't even mentioned in the article. Does it run the schookl of the same name? Even if so, that's a single item in a long list of schools. En-wiki FP requires the photo adds value to an article, usually by illustrating some aspect of the discussion very well. At the moment, it doesn't, since the church isn't mentioned outside of the picture, indeed, outside of being a category of schools in the town, religion isn't mentioned.
- It's a good photo, please don't get me wrong, it just needs to b used better. Is the church notable in any way? If it is, it could have an article on Wikipedia, and this would be a very good FP candidate. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
- I added the image to Roman Catholic Diocese of San Jose in California. As for an article on the church itself, I was able to find at least one RS. Does that description seem to suggest notability? DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:47, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 13:31, 7 April 2013 (UTC)