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Napa Valley, California

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Original - Vineyard and Vaca Mountains in Napa Valley
Alt 1 - Vineyard and Vaca Mountains in Napa Valley
Alt 2 - Vineyards in Napa Valley


Reason
high quality and EV
Articles this image appears in
Napa Valley AVA
Creator
mbz1
  • Support as nominator --Mbz1 (talk) 04:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Original, neutral on alt per nom. Also pretty. Drink up, Nezzadar [SPEAK] 06:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is some issue here with the approach to address this subject. The topic is the valley, which is notable for its vineyard. Now, I don't think these shots are capturing the plurality of the subject. Oh, this plural versus singular is being hard to explain for me. Let me give a comparison. Look at this or at this. You can see that either the aerial view or the sign let us make a mental circle around the wines that make us realize that the subject is them taking as a set, while with the composition of the nominations you are focused at the wines but as elements. Also, abstracting from this idea, the composition of the original is rather messy and, just by bad luck, placed next to the Alt make us realize the pretty colors are pushed too much, IMO. But don't take this last as a strong point since seen independently can make this feeling disappear. The composition of Alt1 is better, IMO. More emphasis in the repetitive patterns of the vineyard put some order in the arrangement. Now the prominent vertical pole is conspiring against you. It is a little tilted to the left and that breaks that rhythm of the composition again. I should Oppose both then Original and Alt1.  franklin.vp  09:41, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You samples are both way too low resolution, but anyway...--Mbz1 (talk) 19:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh indeed. I didn't want to imply that they are a replacement as FP. I used them as an example of how the composition can be used to convey the idea that the subject is the valley and not the vines.  franklin.vp  01:06, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The images show two major features of Napa Valley, which are vineyards and Vaca Mountains. Besides that they also show climate by showing seasonal changes and a bright cloudless blue sky, which is a rarity in most regions of the Northern Hemisphere in November, but so common in Napa Valley. That's why IMO it is not excatly fair to oppose the images because of low EV.--Mbz1 (talk) 15:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If the subject is the valley, then there is bound to be better illustrative examples of the valley than a closeup of a grape vine, if the subject is the vineyard then a shot when the vines are at their peak and harvesting would be more ideal then their dieing throws of fall. The photograph doesn't illustrate either subjects well due to those issues. — raeky (talk | edits) 17:16, 7 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alt 2 added here by Mbz1. --jjron (talk) 04:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support You definitely got it now. This shot even give you the felling of a Valley since the landscape looks depressed in the center of the image (although the valley is probably much bigger). You know, I have to apologize since I was telling you that the first two shots didn't represent Napa valley appropriately but now I noticed that always the captions said vineyards and ... mountains in Napa Valley. The title of the nomination confused me. In any case, neither the original nor the Alt1 compares with the much better choices in Alt2 in showing a vineyard.  franklin.vp  04:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment on alt2 the quality of this image seems a bit low, grainy, low resolution, not sharp focus, etc... This is a highly reproducible shot, so I hardly think alt2 is FP material on those grounds. — raeky (talk | edits) 05:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • If you want to illustrate the valley then an aerial shot like this would be ideal, if you want to illustrate a vineyard then a shot that's not as closeup as the original images but maybe something in the same composition of alt 2 would be ideal. But sadly the quality lacking of alt 2 prevents me from supporting it as a FP, there just isn't the level of quality I would expect for a FP nom of a highly reproducible image. With napa valley being such a massive tourism draw there is BOUND to be plenty of better illustrative examples FP quality then these images, after all flickr has over 4,300 free images that come up under "napa valley" as the keywords. — raeky (talk | edits) 05:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Alt2 Pretty leaves, but where are the grapes? Nezzadar [SPEAK] 07:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the first 2, Weak Oppose the 3rd. It would be nice to have a shot without a line of power pylons ruining the view.--Silversmith Hewwo 23:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 03:40, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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