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Donetsk People's Republic Regional City Hall (Barricades and Balcony)

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Original – Donetsk Regional Admin (City Hall) - Barricades and Balcony

Reason: This Is an Historical of Donetsk Oblast in Ukraine
Articles in which this image appears: Donetsk People's Republic
FP category for this image: Wikipedia:Featured pictures/History/Others or Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Other
Creator: Graham Phillips

Support as nominator – National Names 2000 (talk) 12:49, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support film – Hafspajen (talk) 13:34, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose — This video may constitute a sort of gonzo journalism vignette. However, technically it's not up to FP standards, IMO. Sca (talk) 15:26, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I has rather high EV, I say. Probably a wonder that we have it at all. Hafspajen (talk) 20:04, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. We should have the original resolution (will do myself) and (since this is the English Wikipedia) subtitles of what the guy is saying. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:24, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Original resolution uploaded. Anyone speak Ukranian(?) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:44, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I imagine National does. Hafspajen (talk) 07:48, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Crisco 1492 --DUCK404 a (talk) 18:56, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as above. It needs a translation as it's on English Wikipedia, and I'm confused at the opening few seconds, what is that supposed to be? Mattximus (talk) 21:35, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: In addition to lacking English subs/trans: unsteady camera, too much panning of tires & barbed wire. Sca (talk) 21:51, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - it was probably never meant to be filmed. If the officials knew about it this might got destroyed. It is pretty obvious what it is. These are the countries who react to things like Teddybear Airdrop Minsk 2012 and want to delete the article on Jimbo Wales. If he took a real big good quality camera to take the clear pictures you demand, the guy might have ended up in prison. Hafspajen (talk) 02:58, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree with Haffy. If this is something spur of the moment but important, or something likely to be censored, the jitter is fine. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:03, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Those are all valid points by Hafs, and this video is appropriate in the context of the Donetsk People's Republic article, (although a more lucid caption is needed than "The Barricades From Ukraine Have Been Seen After"). But as a stand-alone Main Page feature, it's not sufficiently comprehensible, IMO. It would leave readers scratching their heads. Sca (talk) 14:23, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hence why we've been saying "we need subtitles", and why I've posted at the reference desk in search of help. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:16, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I speak Ukrainian. I might be able to help establish whether it's worth the efforts. Er, what's the url? [EDIT] I've found it. I don't know who decided it was in Ukrainian: it's actually in Russian (which I could translate, but there are an abundance of Russian speakers available at English Wikipedia: the only thing they may have problems with is the regional accent which I do know). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:21, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I will not have a chance to listen to it until the evening, but then I can see what I can do. Obviously, if someone wants to translate/subtitle it before (European) evening, I have no objections.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:00, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Iryna: I put "Ukranian(?)" because the city's in Ukraine, though considering the context I'm not surprised this is Russian. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:29, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is what the guy says. I will try to translate it now.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:24, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

0:07 - 0:09 Дорогие земляки
0:09 - 0:14 У меня будет чисто техническая информация, но она может оказаться всем нам очень полезной
0:14 - 0:20 Если вы обратите внимание вон в ту сторону, вы увидите белый флаг с красным крестом
0:20 - 0:26 Там передвижной медицинский пункт нашего первого добровольческого медицинского отряда
0:20 - 0:30 для оказания медицинской помощи тем из вас, дорогие наши и любимые, кто будет в ней нуждаться
0:35 - 0:37 Я буду краток
0:37 - 0:41 Мы, врачи - плоть от плоти своего народа
0:41 - 0:48 Мы едины со своим народом. Мы готовы выполнить наш врачебный долг перед вами до конца и любой ценой
0:48 - 0:50 Мы уверены
0:56 - 1:05 Мы уверены, что каждый из вас так же до конца исполнит свой долг перед нашей родиной и перед своим народом

Now this is my unprofessional translation:

0:07 - 0:09 Dear compatriots
0:09 - 0:14 I have a purely technical communication for you, but this informacion might be very useful for all of us
0:14 - 0:20 If you look that way, there is a white flag with a red cross
0:20 - 0:26 This is a mobile support hospital run by our first mobile voluntary medical detachment
0:20 - 0:30 to provide medical services to those of you who need it
0:35 - 0:37 I will be very brief
0:37 - 0:41 We, doctors, are part of our people
0:41 - 0:48 We are united with our people. We are ready to render medical services fully and by every means
0:48 - 0:50 We are sure
0:56 - 1:05 We are sure that each of you will fully pay your debt to our fatherland and our people as well

Doesn't seem to be particularly useful for the article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:12, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I do not care. I was asked to help - I spent one hour of my time (which is btw pretty expensive) to provide the translation. Next time I might politely refuse.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:17, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That was not intended to reflect on your much-appreciated translation. It was intended to refer to how the file meets (or does not meet) the FP criteria, specifically #5: "Adds significant encyclopedic value to an article and helps readers to understand an article." That this film shows a relatively standard statement and not something particularly significant means that I will not be changing my !vote to support. I will, however, be glad to do the timed text. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:28, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And done. The timing is liable to be off on the Russian version; my apologies for that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:56, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding them.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:42, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Sca about the opening seconds. Also, rather than being an undercover footage, which would justify the poor quality, this seems to me to be a poorly done propaganda shot, or at least not undercover. The journalist apparently has worked for Russia Today, so would probably be tolerated by the people there, and judging from what the man in the video is saying, the video could be interpreted as trying to portray the situation not as threatening but as people trying to help. In that case a better quality can be demanded, I think. Yakikaki (talk) 16:46, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't speak Russian, but this video struck me at first view as POV, i.e. pro-Russsian-separatists. (Correct me if I got the wrong impression.) Again, it's technically subpar and IMO of scant EV for an English-speaking audience. So they're demonstrating for their POV? That's not news.
I say this even though I understand their point of view. It's similar to that of many other ethnic Russians, in other ex-Soviet so-called republics. (I have personal experience with the phenomenon.) That's not the key issue in Ukraine. The issue in Ukraine is whether geopolitical change should be sought through violence or other extralegal means. I don't see how this video elucidates the topic. The English subs help, but they don't change the essentially chaotic character of the segment. Sca (talk) 18:36, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 00:20, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]