Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Ancient Egypt map-en.svg

Ancient Egypt map

Reason: Clear, clean map of major cities and regions of ancient Egypt. Color scheme is the standard listed at the maps wikiproject. I'm happy to make any modifications suggested.
Proposed caption: In antiquity, ancient Egypt was divided into two lands: Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt. To the south, it was bounded by the land of Kush, and to the East, the levant. Surrounded by harsh deserts, the river Nile was the lifeline of this ancient
Articles this image appears in: Ancient Egypt
Creator: Jeff Dahl

Support as nominator Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 00:09, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'd love to support this (even though Safari doesn't cope well with .svgs) but 'Ancient Egypt' covers at least three millennia, some indication of to what kingdom/period this is referring would be needed before I'd vote for it. Other than that reservation, I think it's a great contribution. bad_germ 09:58, 23 November 2007

Most of the cities (except Cairo, Alexandria, etc) were active from the very earliest times until into the Roman period, so this is a very general map that is independent of any one time period. I didn't mark in any territorial boundaries because they were always changing through time whereas the cities/river were constant. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 16:00, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Jeff Dahl nominated a PNG version on Picture Peer Review and appears to have learned to use Inkscape to get an SVG version to nominate here. There were no comments on content at WP:PPR, and the map looks very detailed and appropriate to me. Enuja (talk) 00:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless better sourced. There needs to be some way to verify that this map is not only well made, but correct. gren グレン 09:31, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added sources to the image description page. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 17:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support, well done... but I have examined it closely enough to give full support. gren グレン 21:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support. This is a very useful map, but I concur that the fact that it's not referencing a given time period makes it less attractive to me. What I'd really like to see is this map used as a template, and then several maps generated that cover specific points in the various dynastic periods of Ancient Egypt. So, oppose, but I think it'd be worthy as an FPC if it was the source map for other maps, savvy? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:02, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What can I say? Every single book on ancient Egyptian history contains this kind of map, which is basically the geographic outline of the country with cities delineated along the Nile and no specific period mentioned. The map here is better in that it is more detailed with more of the minor cities, and of course is free and easy to edit. If I drew a map specific to one time period, it would look pretty much the same in 2500 BC as it would in 300 BC, with only a few cities different. Ancient Egypt was not at all like Europe, where borders changed and kingdoms came and went. Ancient Egypt was pretty rock solid for more than 3 millenia. If it would help, I could specify that the map applies to Dynastic Egypt (Early Dynastic period until the Roman period). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff Dahl (talk • contribs) 01:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that would help. I guess I was under the impression that things changed more often, but that seems to be incorrect. :) If it's accurate for the period of XXXX-YYYY and labeled as such, I suppose that'd be good enough for me to go to support. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 17:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. One more little question, should Jerusalem be on the map? Was it under Egyptian control from 3150-30? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Like Cairo, I added Jerusalem mainly for reference; The Egyptians did have trading relations with the Levant and Kush from an early date, and a few pharaohs waged battles against the Kushites and the so-called Asiatics living in Palestine, but the Egyptian homeland stretched between the Nile delta and the first cataract. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 01:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe the reference cities (those not under direct Egyptian control) could have different colored dots to differentiate them? --Dante Alighieri | Talk 02:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fair suggestion, I've seen some maps that put them in italics. I'll make a new version that distinguishes them. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 02:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 18:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great, changed vote to support. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 23:22, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Great work, clearly a lot of effort has gone into this on the part of the uploader. bad_germ 22:39, 27 November 2007
Support Very detailed and well-sourced. One minor quibble: can you rotate the names of the Mediterranean and red Seas so they are right-side-up like the cities? (It might be a little harder for the gulfs, but try those, too, please.) I think this will make the map look more formal and less haphazard.--Here T oHelp 21:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment/Question It's probably something that's wrong on my end, but whenever I view this at the 1500x3200 resolution and scroll around, the lettering keeps disappearing. Has anyone else experienced this? And on a smaller note, could you please rotate "mediterranean sea" so that it's parallel to the edge of the map (I'm fine with Red Sea and the other orientations, but Mediterranean is kind of annoying). --Malachirality (talk) 22:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll rotate mediterranean sea. One solution for the lettering might be to convert the text into true vectors; the upside is that the user doesn't need the font installed (but who doesn't have arial font?) but the downside is that in the future it makes editing the text impossible and new labels would have to be created from scratch. Which browser do you use? Either way, it is pretty easy to convert the text labels into vector labels but I'm reluctant to do it unless it's necessary. Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 01:06, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Ancient Egypt map.svg MER-C 02:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Renamed to File:Ancient Egypt map-en.svg. MER-C 07:54, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]