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Timeline of the 2014 Atlantic hurricane season

Featured list candidates/Timeline of the 2014 Atlantic hurricane season/archive1

Nominator(s): TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 04:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The 2014 Atlantic hurricane season ended similar to that of its predecessor, with below-average activity overall. With the addition of all post-season analysis data via the National Hurricane Center, I believe this page satisfies the requirements of a featured list. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 04:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from AHeneen:

No issues from the alt text, external links, disambig links, reflinks, and peer review tools, except there's no alt for the image in Template:2014 Atlantic hurricane season buttons .
That requires an edit to Template:Hurricane season bar and would change a number of articles beyond this one. Is it warranted? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
SI units should be used, since this is a science-related article and not completely US-centric. (WP:METRIC, if using Template:Convert you can just add the flip parameter...flip=yes).
Done, save for two "hundred miles" entries since they cannot be converted. Should we just omit the distances? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:48, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Needs to comply with WP:TIMEZONE...a comma is needed between time & date...eg. (8:00 p.m. EDT, June 30) and I didn't see a wikilink for EDT. A more important issue, however, is that the non-UTC times add a lot of clutter and sometimes are not the most relevant time zone for an event. Events that are unrelated to impact to land do not need a time other than UTC (eg. formation of TD2 on 21 July). EDT & AST are used in places where they should not be used (I realize you probably got them from the NHS statements):
- the Canadian Maritimes are on Atlantic Daylight Time (UTC-3) during this time, except Newfoundland & Labrador is on Newfoundland Daylight Time (UTC-2.5) during this time (see also Daylight saving time in the Americas)
- Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua all use Central Standard Time year-round. (per: Central Time Zone#Central America and Caribbean Islands)
It appears to me that Cyclonebiskit did this. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This sentence needs to be reworded for clarity: "The season featured nine tropical cyclones, of which eight further intensified into tropical storms; six became hurricanes and two further intensified into major hurricanes." The semicolon breaks up the sentence to make it unclear that the six hurricanes are part of the eight TSs and further part of the nine TCs. Here's a better version: "The season featured nine tropical cyclones, of which eight intensified into tropical storms and six further intensified into hurricanes (including two major hurricanes)."
Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In the lead, could a wikilink be added to Atlantic hurricane—a very useful and appropriate topic for this subject. Also, when linking to tropical storm, hurricane, and major hurricane, I think it would be better to link to the scale used to define these terms or mention the defining criteria directly in this article (eg. to note 2).
Did the first. The second part appears to be already done in the lead. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:24, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Impact throughout the year was widespread although not particularly ruinous." Citation needed.
I've removed that part of the sentence. Some of the damage figures in the sources are not easily reconciliable, so such a statement can't stand without a source. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"No tropical cyclones developed in the month of June." Is this necessary?
I'd say so. Given the statistic here, one's chance to see a June hurricane is worth noting. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:45, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Aug 9: "several hundred miles" (add conversion)
Either a few hundred or more than 1000 km. I am inclined to remove the distances altogether since I am not sure how one would convert something that vague. Opinions? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:49, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Refer to TDs as "Tropical Depression [number]" throughout the article.
Appears to be already done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:50, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"The extratropical cyclone of Gonzalo..." Using "of Gonzalo" doesn't seem right to me and since extratropical cyclones aren't named, it would be better (in my opinion) to use the term "post-tropical cyclone [name]" or "the extratropical remnants of [TS/H] [name]".
- Went with "extratropical remnants of Hurricane Gonzalo". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:43, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The Commons Category template should be inline, since it is taller than the two links in the "External links" section, use Template:Commons category-inline.
- Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:43, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Those are all I the issues I see. I haven't reviewed any featured content before (but I have reviewed several GAs), so this may not cover every issue with this article. AHeneen (talk) 05:29, 16 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delegate note: I'm going to give this a couple more days, but this has been up for almost two months with no supports, the one review is mostly unaddressed, and the nominator hasn't been editing since June 25. If I don't see a lot of movement shortly I'm going to have to close this. --Pres N 04:34, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll work on this today. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:03, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Did some work save for a few things that I'll ask input about; calling AHeneen and Cyclonebiskit since they worked here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The article is still cluttered with times that aren't necessary...the overwhelming majority of non-UTC times aren't necessary. The "several hundred miles" statements still need to comply with WP:METRIC; they should be reworded to be more exact and converted. "No tropical cyclones developed in the month of June" isn't necessary. The rest of the issues I raised have been addressed. AHeneen (talk) 18:24, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The non-UTC times are provided by the NHC and pass the inclusion test of WP:NOHARM, so I see no reason to remove them. As far as the distances are concerned, I can add (several hundred kilometres), but I cannot be more specific since that is how the storm's distance in relation to a location is listed. Coordinates are provided within the reports that the hurricane center releases, but the inexact distances are only provided after the storm's center has dissipated (i.e. no coordinates are available). Your third point seems like a non-issue to me. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 22:39, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOHARM is about arguments against the deletion of an article, not about article content. The featured list criteria stipulate that is has professional quality prose (1) and the formatting is visually appealing. The non-UTC times add a lot of clutter when they are not relevant (ie. the tropical storm is not over or close to land). For example:

00:00 UTC (8:00 p.m. AST, October 14) – Hurricane Gonzalo intensifies into a Category 4 hurricane roughly 360 km (225 mi) north of San Juan, Puerto Rico.

00:00 UTC – Hurricane Gonzalo intensifies into a Category 4 hurricane roughly 360 km (225 mi) north of San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Additionally, some non-UTC time zones are not relevant to the location being impacted. For example, Central America uses Central Standard Time year-round, but events there on October 27-30 use EDT & CDT. There are also events while a storm is in the middle of the ocean that should only have the UTC time. For example, on September 15, Hurricane Edouard is 1,230 km SE of Bermuda...no relation to AST...even if you consider Bermuda, Bermuda is on ADT (UTC-3) until 1st Sunday in November. I'll offer to remove the non-UTC times that aren't relevant. For the distances, you can at least put "several hundred kilometers (miles)". I don't think "No tropical cyclones developed in the month of June" is necessary, but if it stays, it needs a citation (shouldn't just be inferred from text). AHeneen (talk) 00:07, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We use the same time zones that the NHC uses in their advisories. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 03:05, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that, but that doesn't mean they're necessary in the article or appropriate. AHeneen (talk) 22:34, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just for the record, it's something we've always done in timelines for whatever reason. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 15:20, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This table might be useful as a source for the June thing. I am not finding any more precise sources for the "Miles" things; I am inclined at discarding the distance information unless we really want to go with "a few hundred to more than a thousand kilometres", which is odd. Agree with the times being cluttery. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I edited the article to make some of the changes suggested above. I removed most non-UTC times except when a storm was over land, close to land (<150 mi), or the event is soon before landfall and having a sense of the local time is useful (eg. Gonzalo on Oct 17-18 UTC, where it is useful to know that the weakened & made landfall on Bermuda on Oct 17 Bermuda time). An exception is TD9 on 22-23 Oct, since it impacts both Mexico (CDT) & Guatemala/Belize (CST) and having UTC, CDT, & CST would be excessive plus a TD is not very significant. I have changed the two occurrences of "several hundred miles [direction] from Ireland" to "over the north-central Atlantic Ocean". The June issue is not something that I think needs to be removed to pass. (Note: I don't believe the edit to the article makes me an involved editor for purposes of supporting this FLC, it was just far easier to make the adjustment myself than try to explain it and wait for days to get the article right.) AHeneen (talk) 23:27, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Make sure all distances and intensities are rounded to the nearest 5 (there are around 20 instances of this happening)
Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Why are mb's abbreviated and other units spelled out?
{{convert}} artifact, I think. Not sure how to fix that. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:58, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Put |abbr=on within the convert template to abbreviate all units. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 23:44, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Abbreviated all units for the reasons I noted in the edit summary. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:46, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 18:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Thanks for those that took over for me while I was absent. I can handle any additional comments. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 04:09, 14 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Despite the discussion that started up a bit in the past couple days, this nomination has been here for two months without a support, so I'm going to have to close it as not passed to try to keep the FLC page flowing. Feel free to renominate it back up at the top if you want, so that hopefully it will get some more attention. --Pres N 20:11, 17 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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