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Timeline of the 2013 Pacific hurricane season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Nominator(s): TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:07, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The 2013 Pacific hurricane season was an above average year, featuring 20 named storms. In addition, it was very deadly and destructive, with 135 deaths and $4.2 billion in damage overall. This timeline documents the life-cycles of all the tropical cyclones that formed in the Central and East Pacific in 2013 and now, in my opinion, adheres to the characteristics of a featured list. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:07, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I had a good read and I didn't detect any problems that I know of, although a more experienced editor may pick up a few. Detailed, well sourced, well written, it is a list of good quality. Burklemore1 (talk) 15:44, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Dudley
[edit]- Looks fine to me. Just a few queries.
- Sorry for the late responses, @User:Dudley Miles. Anything else? TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 02:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- "The hurricane season officially began on May 15, coinciding with the formation of Tropical Storm Alvin, in the East Pacific—defined as the region east of 140°W—and on June 1 in the Central Pacific—defined as the region west of 140°W to the International Date Line—and ended on November 30 in both basins." This seems far too detailed for the lead paragraph. I would have something like season began 15 May in the East Pacific and 1 June Central..." and put the rest in an nb note. BTW does the Pacific only have east and central regions - the Philippines is in the central Pacific?
- Comment from another user: There is western Pacific, but over there, they are called typhoons rather than hurricanes. The Philippines is in the Western Pacific. YE Pacific Hurricane 18:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- As suggested. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 02:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- tropical depression - I would link (or better still define in an nb note).
- "state of Sinaloa" I would say in Mexico.
- "a storm that was not operationally warned upon" warned upon sounds wrong to me - is it correct AmerEng?
- As far as I know. :) TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 02:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Degenerates sounds odd to me. Is it a technical term and does it mean something different from weakens? Dudley Miles (talk) 22:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The dictionary definition of degenerate reads, "lacking some property, order, or distinctness of structure previously or usually present, in particular." It's commonly used when advisories are stopped on a tropical storm or depression because that cyclone lacks the requirements to be considered such. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 02:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Dudley Miles (talk) 18:04, 16 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
SupportTA, three qualms here:
- Maye add Barbara to the lead? YE Pacific Hurricane 18:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Barbara is already included in a sentence. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 13:32, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- "This timeline includes information that was not released in real time, meaning that data from post-storm reviews by the National Hurricane Center, such as a storm that was not operationally warned upon, has been included. " Also note the CPHC here, since it warned on 5 systems. YE Pacific Hurricane 18:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Add when the CPHC season first started to the timeline. YE Pacific Hurricane 18:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Look at: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2013/SONIA.shtml? After November 3, Sonia's events should be in PST, not PDT. YE Pacific Hurricane 18:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Only one qualm here. "This timeline includes information that was not released in real time, meaning that data from post-storm reviews by the National Hurricane Center and Central Pacific Hurricane Center, such as a storm that was not operationally warned upon, has been included." - I'd nix "such as a storm that was not operationally warned upon, has been included". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:41, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi, @Crisco 1492. I disagree with this change. I think it's important to note that the NHC/CPHC can add additional storms, which weren't included in real time throughout the season, so that people aren't asking "where did this come from?" while reading. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 19:59, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- That's not what "Operationally warned upon" reads to me. For me, it comes across as later analysis of data is being included here (in general) and not just storms which may not have been declared at the time. At the very least a reworking is in order, preferably with a simpler structure; remember, FLs have to be accessible to everyone, and the current wording is not the clearest. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:34, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- After conferring with a few other editors, they do not see anything wrong with the sentence, and I'm personally a little confused over the point you're trying to make. Do you have a suggested change in mind? TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 04:05, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm saying that, for someone who is not well-versed in the field, the phrase is a bit ambiguous. A less ambiguous (but still correct) phrasing would make the list more accessible for the average reader. Something like (and my apologies if this is not quite correct) "This timeline includes information that was not released in real time, but derived from post-storm reviews by the National Hurricane Center and Central Pacific Hurricane Center; as such, it contains storms which were not operationally warned upon." This has the benefit of avoiding the repetition of "include/included". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:12, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed. In some cases it's hard to identify which sentences may be ambiguous to those not well-versed in meteorology, so if happens to be anything else, definitely let me know. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 05:15, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- That's not what "Operationally warned upon" reads to me. For me, it comes across as later analysis of data is being included here (in general) and not just storms which may not have been declared at the time. At the very least a reworking is in order, preferably with a simpler structure; remember, FLs have to be accessible to everyone, and the current wording is not the clearest. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:34, 22 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi, @Crisco 1492. I disagree with this change. I think it's important to note that the NHC/CPHC can add additional storms, which weren't included in real time throughout the season, so that people aren't asking "where did this come from?" while reading. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 19:59, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Thanks. It's a lot easier for me to get your meaning now, and the rest of the list looks great. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:32, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. – SchroCat (talk) 18:05, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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