Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Tampa Bay Storm seasons/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Scorpion0422 01:11, 24 September 2008 [1].

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Tampa Bay Storm seasons

Worked on this article in my sandbox, and after completing it moved it to main title. I copied off the NFL season pages and copied their format to create season page for this AFL team. --Gman124 ^talk 05:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments - sources look okay. Links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:13, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "This is a list of seasons completed by the Tampa Bay Storm American football franchise "...
  • We no longer encourage lists to start with "This is a list..." - FAs don't start "This is an article...." so why should our FLs? So you may need some rework on the opening couple of sentences - try introducing it by telling me (a non-expert) who the Tampa Bay Storm are, what they do, how long they've been doing it, what they record seasons are etc.
    •  Done --Gman124 ^talk 16:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
  • No bold links in the lead please.
    •  Done --Gman124 ^talk 16:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
• Use en-dash, not hyphen for separating scores, records etc.
  • Y --Gman124 ^talk 16:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
• "Postseason Results" - why not just "Postseason results"?
  •  Done --Gman124 ^talk 00:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
• WP:COLOR should be applied here - don't just color a row, what if someone is colour-blind or visually impaired and can't distinguish these rows from the others easily? Use symbols too.
  • Y --Gman124 ^talk 16:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
• "The franchise was originally known as the Pittsburgh Gladiators, and were one..." - was becomes were here.
  • Y --Gman124 ^talk 00:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
• "loosing both games. They franchise moved from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to Tampa, Florida in 1991, and changed their name to the Tampa Bay Storm."
  • losing.
  • The franchise
  • changed its name
  •  Done --Gman124 ^talk 00:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
• "a 19-year streak of playoff appearances.[4] The Storm's 19-year playoff appearance streak" - repeat "19-year ... playoff appearance[s]" makes dull reading.
  •  Done Gman124 ^talk 00:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
• The whole lead is a little clunky and not that engaging. I'd seek advice from a decent copyeditor who can expand and enrich the text.

The Rambling Man (talk) 15:58, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose - few big issues, fails some of the WP:FL?
  • Remove bold link from lead per MOS:BOLD
    •  Done Gman124 ^talk 16:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
  • The list documents the season–by–season records of the Storm's franchise from 1987 to present, including postseason records, and league awards for individual players or head coaches. - two things, "the list?" how about "this list." But either way using "this list" is discouraged. Remove that part and place this somewhere more relevant like at the top of the table.
    •  Done Gman124 ^talk 16:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Instead of using four dashes to make a line, use a section break.
    •  Done Gman124 ^talk 00:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
  • They franchise moved from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania to Tampa, Florida in 1991, and changed their name to the Tampa Bay Storm. - "they franchise?"
    •  Done Gman124 ^talk 00:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Again, This is a list of seasons completed by the Tampa Bay Storm American football franchise of the Arena Football League (AFL). - avoid this, and instead start the sentence with something like "The Tampa Bay Storm are a blah blah for the blah blah league, etc."
    •  Done Gman124 ^talk 00:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

S_RX 21:50, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

SatyrTN comments

Two comments, but neither are show stoppers:

• Would love to see sortability added for the Season, Finish, Wins, and Losses columns. However, that would mean splitting into two tables, since the full colspan rows would have to be removed. So don't feel this *has* to be done.
• At the risk of being accused of WP:IDONTLIKEIT, having a background color *and* a symbol is redundant and confusing. Does anyone know if there is a policy on this?
  • See Wikipedia:Colours#Using colours in articles. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:11, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
• Overall, I support this FLC. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• Weak oppose
  • "St. Pete Times Forum is the current home of the Storm since 1997." perhaps "St Pete Times Forum has been the home of the Storm since 1997."?
  • "...originally known as the Pittsburgh Gladiators, and was one of the original ..." 2x original - can we think of a better wording here? Especially as "original" appears in the next sentence as well... and the one after that...
  • 19–year and 22–year look like they've got an en-dash - should be a hyphen in this case.
    •  Done --Gman124 ^talk 14:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
  • What does the en-dash mean in the Conference/Division column?
    • I put the dashes for season in which there weren't any conferences or divisions. Gman124 ^talk 14:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
      • That needs explaining in the list. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Your four general refs are the same as the first four specific refs, right? Seem unusual.
  • Can you show me which of your references, for example, cites Brett Dietz as rookie of the year?
    • go to the "Tampa Bay Storm — Team History" link and click on year 2007 under season column. --Gman124 ^talk 14:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

The Rambling Man (talk) 09:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

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