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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 20:02:24 6 October 2019 (UTC) [1].

Sanjay Dutt filmography

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Nominator(s): ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 16:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because he is one of the biggest actor of Bollywood. Please leave any comments below.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 16:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - I would suggest the lead needs a copy-edit by a native English speaker, as the quality of the English is unfortunately not very good. For example: "Rocky became semi-hit at the box office, and it was ranked number 10 on the list of highest-grossing film of 1981" - "semi-hit" is not an English word and "highest-grossing film" should be "highest-grossing films". There's little things like this that I could pick up in almost every sentence, so I suggest a thorough copy-editing is needed...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@ChrisTheDude: I've submitted the article for copy edit.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 19:08, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Something that can be fixed while you are waiting for the copy edit: there are a lot of instances like "....and Vidhaata (1982). In Vidhaata (1982) he was cast....". You only need to wikilink the film and give the date the first time the film is mentioned. You don't need to keep using the link and showing the date every time.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:13, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm going to hold off looking at the lead again until it has been copy edited, but here's some comments on the tables:
    • "Cameo Appearance" should not have a capital A
    • "Sequel of 1999 Hit Movie Vaastav: the reality" should be simply "Sequel to Vaastav: The Reality"
    • In one case "special appearance" is shown after the name in the "role" column, but in other cases it's in the "notes" column - make sure they are all in the same column
    • What even is a "special appearance"?
    • In the films table, the year is first, but in the other two tables the title is first - why are they not the same?
    • Why does one table have "Note(s)" whereas the others have "Notes"?
    • Are those really his only television appearances? Some of them are talk shows - has one of the biggest stars in Indian cinema history only appeared on talk shows five or six times in a career of nearly forty years?
    • HTH -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:04, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
*Comment - since there seems to be no sign of that copy edit happening, I will start to highlight the issues with the lead
    • "opposite of Tina Ambani" => "opposite Tina Ambani"
done
    • "in Sunil Dutt-directed romantic action film" => "in the Sunil Dutt-directed romantic action film"
done
    • "Rocky was average at the box office" - I presume this is meant to mean that its box office revenue was only average, but how can that be true when you go on to say it was one of the highest-grossing films of the year?
done
    • "After his debut film he went to star in two films, including Johny I Love You (1982), and Vidhaata (1982)." - don't think you need this sentence at all
done
    • "Shammi Kapoor, the film went to become the highest-grossing Hindi-language films of 1982." => "Shammi Kapoor; the film went to become the highest-grossing Hindi-language film of 1982."
done
    • "After appearing in series of box-office flop films," => "After appearing in a series of box-office flops,"
done
    • "After Naam (1986) he appeared in several films, including Imaandaar (1987), Inaam Dus Hazaar (1987), Jeete Hain Shaan Se (1988), Mardon Wali Baat (1988), Ilaaka (1989), Hum Bhi Insaan Hain (1989), Kanoon Apna Apna (1989) and Taaqatwar (1989)" - don't think you need any of that
done
    • "His appearance in Kabzaa (1988), and Hathyar (1989) both films received critical acclaim for his performances" => "His performances in Kabzaa (1988), and Hathyar (1989) received critical acclaim"
done
  • That's just the first paragraph. I will check in later with some more.......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:37, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • "In 1991 he appeared in Lawrence D'Souza's Indian romantic drama film Saajan (1991)" - can't see any particular need to say "Indian"
done
    • "in the film he starred alongside Madhuri Dixit, and Salman Khan" => "in which he starred alongside Madhuri Dixit, and Salman Khan"
done
    • "Than he was nominated again for the Filmfare Award for Best Actor " => "He was nominated again for the award"
done
    • "After the two Best Actor nominations, he managed to win Filmfare Award for Best Actor, Star Screen Awards for Best Actor,[7] and IIFA Awards for Best Actor," => "He won the Filmfare Award for Best Actor, Star Screen Award for Best Actor,[7] and IIFA Award for Best Actor,"
done
    • "He also received critical acclaim for his appearance, one film critics wrote, "Sanjay Dutt looks terrific but with a shaky screenplay he can't hold the excitement for long." - this comment really isn't "critical acclaim", it's essentially saying "he tries hard but the script is rubbish", which is faint praise at best
done
    • "After Vaastav: The Reality (1999), Dutt appeared in Vidhu Vinod Chopra's crime thriller film Mission Kashmir (2000)." => "Dutt next appeared in Vidhu Vinod Chopra's crime thriller film Mission Kashmir (2000)."
done
    • "Dutt was nominated four awards for Mission Kashmir (2000), including Filmfare Award for Best Actor,[10] IIFA Award for Best Actor,[11] Screen Award for Best Actor,[12] and Zee Cine Award for Best Actor – Male[13]," => "For this role he was nominated for the Filmfare Award for Best Actor,[10] IIFA Award for Best Actor,[11] Screen Award for Best Actor,[12] and Zee Cine Award for Best Actor – Male[13],"
done
    • "Dutt managed to win one award Screen Award for Best Supporting Actor." - what film was this for? It can't have been Mission Kashmir.......
- it was Mission Kashmir
    • Also don't say "managed to win", just say "won"
done
done
    • "Dutt's appearance in Kaante (2002) was met with some award nominations and praised for his role in the film. Dutt was nominated for Filmfare Award for Best Supporting Actor,[14] and he managed to win Bollywood Movie Awards for Critics Male Award." => "For his performance in Kaante (2002) Dutt was nominated for the Filmfare Award for Best Supporting Actor,[14] and won the Bollywood Movie Awards for Critics Male Award."
done
    • "In 2003 Dutt appeared in Rajkumar Hirani's directorial debut comedy-drama film Munna Bhai M.B.B.S. (2003), the plot of the film" - start a new sentence with "the plot"
done
    • What is a "goon"?
done - goon means thug/gangster
    • "The film emerged as commercially successful at box office," => "The film was successful at the box office,"
done
    • "Munna Bhai M.B.B.S. (2003) grossed ₹23 crore in India, and the film grossed ₹36 crore worldwide" => "The film grossed ₹23 crore in India and grossed ₹36 crore worldwide"
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    • "Critics praised Dutt's role in the film, some of the critics wrote, "Sanjay Dutt simply cakewalks through his role"[18], and "Sanjay Dutt is delightful as Munna"." => "Critics praised Dutt's role in the film; comments included "Sanjay Dutt simply cakewalks through his role"[18], and "Sanjay Dutt is delightful as Munna"."
done
    • "Dutt won Filmfare Awards for Best Actor in a Comic Role,[20] and Bollywood Movie Awards for Most Sensational Actor,[21] he was also nominated for International Indian Film Academy Awards for Best Actor,[22] and Producer's Guild Film Awards for Best Actor." - in every case here, "award" should be singular and you need "the" in front of the name of the award
done
  • Back for the fourth paragraph later -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • "In 2006 Dutt starred in Rajkumar Hirani's comedy-drama film Lage Raho Munna Bhai (2006), Dutt was cast alongside Arshad Warsi, Vidya Balan, and Boman Irani" => "In 2006 Dutt starred in Rajkumar Hirani's comedy-drama film Lage Raho Munna Bhai (2006), alongside Arshad Warsi, Vidya Balan, and Boman Irani"
done - as, "In 2006, Dutt starred alongside Arshad Warsi, Vidya Balan, and Boman Irani in Rajkumar Hirani's comedy-drama film Lage Raho Munna Bhai (2006)."
    • What is a "prominent screening"?
done - as it statyed in cinema's for long ammount of time
    • "The film grossed ₹3.38 crore in its first day, then it went to gross ₹10.95 crore on its first weekend, and it went to gross all together ₹74.88 crore in India." => "The film grossed ₹3.38 crore on its first day, ₹10.95 crore on its first weekend, and ₹74.88 crore overall in India.
done
    • "Dutt was nominated for four awards, including Global Indian Film Awards for Best Actor,[28] Filmfare Award for Best Actor,[29] Zee Cine Awards for Best Actor (Popular),[30] and IIFA Award for Best Actor.[31]" => "Dutt was nominated for four awards, including the Global Indian Film Award for Best Actor,[28] Filmfare Award for Best Actor,[29] Zee Cine Award for Best Actor (Popular),[30] and IIFA Award for Best Actor.[31] "
done
    • "Dutt won several awards including Global Indian Film Awards for Best Actor (Critics),[32] Screen Award for Best Actor (Critics),[33] Stardust Award for Actor of the Year – Male,[34] and Zee Cine Critics Award for Best Actor – Male.[35]" => "Dutt won several awards including the Global Indian Film Award for Best Actor (Critics),[32] Screen Award for Best Actor (Critics),[33] Stardust Award for Actor of the Year – Male,[34] and Zee Cine Critics Award for Best Actor – Male.[35]"
done
    • Are all those nominations and awards for the same film? If they are, then you probably only need to mention the ones he won, not the ones for which he was nominated but failed to win.
done

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA and ChrisTheDude: I've just finished copy editing the lead of the article. I did not look through your list of suggestions, however; as a copy editor, I am only responsible for improving the prose of the article and not for any issues associated with FLCs. The GOCE Requests page has a backlog, and copy editors generally pick the oldest articles to copy edit first. Best of luck on the FLC. Bobbychan193 (talk) 05:43, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bobbychan193: thank you so much for the copyedit. @ChrisTheDude: thank you for the comments, I've gone through, and fixed all of them. If you additional comment's let me know.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:55, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Fix these links.
  • The lead should be trimmed. Actors with larger career that Dutt have shorter filmographies.
  • There are ref formatting issues. Starting from the the first ref of box office India.
  • I can see instances of unrealiable sources like IMDb, addatoday, Filmibeat and Glamsham, to name a few.
  • Several refs don't even mention their publishers name.
  • The second sentence of the first para should start with "He" instead of Dutt.
  • There are several instances of problematic prose, like the sentence about Rocky's financial success and the sentence about Vidhata.

Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:18, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yashthepunisher: I have fixed the comments listed above and thanks for your feedback.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 21:25, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Rocky sentence can still be rephrased.
  • Any other fact worth mentioning about Vidhaata apart from its commercial success? Because it sounds very repetitive.
  • "awardsandshows.com", "Planet-Bollywood", "Falling in Love with Bollywood", "moviefone" are not RS.
  • filmfare.com --> Filmfare
  • Fix the red markings in the references.
  • Publisher missing in the Mera Faisala source.
  • Ditto for a bunch of others.
  • Stick to only National Film Awards and Filmfare in the lead and in table, per other existing FLs.
  • "He also received critical acclaim for his appearance." Great, but there is only one review of the film. Provide a source that supports this claim.
  • There are a lot of box-office figures mentioned in the lead. I'd suggest you to remove most of them unless they are milestones. A success cannot be only measured by the monetary gains.
  • Comment #1 hasn't been fixed.
  • "Sanjay Dutt is an Indian actor and film producer". There is nothing mentioned in the lead of the film's he has produced (and their fate).
  • Some refs have a lot of redundant info in them. Like almost every refs used in the 'Television' section. Also, you should only mention the shows he has hosted.

I'm afraid there are still a lot of issues on ref formatting, prose quality and the articles overall comprehensiveness. Yashthepunisher (talk) 05:53, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yashthepunisher: I have fixed the comments listed above, also the check links URL doesn't work anymore. Thanks.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:16, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead is too short now. Also, you haven't removed the IIFA's and the Screen awards from the article.
  • "Cinestaan" is not a RS.
  • Three receives cannot be enough to support the 'critical acclaim' and 'turning point' claim. Mention a source that specifically talks about the aforementioned.
  • Why his role in Ra.One in comma's?

Yashthepunisher (talk) 11:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yashthepunisher: those have been fixed as well.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:33, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove the critics review from the lead. They don't belong here.
  • Remove Sanju from the lead. It would be significant to mention, Dutt played himself, not otherwise.
  • Mention the status of his unreleased films in the table.
Not done. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:42, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Yashthepunisher: now done.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 14:10, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • He was only mentioned as 'Khalnayak' in Ra.One.

Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Yashthepunisher: done. I have removed the Sanju from the lead, quotes, and other stuff as well.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 13:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

There are 97 different instances of dead-url, all of those will have to be converted into url-status= with the appropriate values. Shearonink (talk) 22:03, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Shearonink: fixed. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 09:59, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the lead..."Widespread critical acclaim" is only supported by one ref and that ref talks only about a particular screening at the 2007 Cannes Tous Les Cinemas du Monde....that is not really "widespread critical acclaim" plus the wording itself is verging into WP:PUFFERY territory. You need 1)multiple reviews or articles about critics' thoughts about the movie & 2)the sentence should be changed to WP:NPOV wording, something like "the film was well-received by critics" or "received favorable reviews from critics", etc. Shearonink (talk) 14:52, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Shearonink: fixed.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 16:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)a[reply]
CAPTAIN MEDUSA The BWW/Broadway World Ref (present ref# 18) ... all it does is say "some of the biggest and critically acclaimed Bollywood blockbusters since the turn of the millenium: 'Lage Raho Munna Bhai', ..." but it does not list out "critically acclaimed" with reviews to back up that assertion. Besides, the review is just a PR/sales listing for a workshop and is not a researched article from a reliable source with editorial oversight. In my opinion it should be removed. Shearonink (talk) 18:06, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
done___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 18:14, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for adding additional refs for "widespread critical acclaim". I still have a problem with the adjective & wording in this sentence: The film received widespread critical acclaim. I think it might be enough to say "The film received critical acclaim." or something similar, using "widespread" plus "acclaim" seems slightly unnecessary. Maybe the Bob Dylan example at WP:PUFFERY explains it better than I am doing... Shearonink (talk) 05:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
done.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 11:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I noticed that the 2003 box-office results in terms of money for Munna Bhai M.B.B.S. are laid out only in rupees. Since En.Wikipedia has a worldwide audience I think it would be appropriate to also have a conversion from rupees to dollars (like kms to miles, miles to kms, etc.), you can use the coding at Template:INRConvert which goes like
{{INRConvert|rupee_value|currency_formatting|rounding digits|lk=|to=|year=}}, so, for instance, the Indian box-office of ₹230 million in 2003 would be
{{INRConvert|230|m|year=2003}} which will give you the following: ₹230 million (equivalent to ₹850 million or US$10 million in 2023).
thanks, done.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 11:06, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Shearonink: any comments.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 12:35, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
CAPTAIN MEDUSA Life has been interfering with my Wikipedia-ing this week and into the start of next. I'll try to finish up sometime next week if I can. Sorry for the delay. Shearonink (talk) 20:46, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I just did a spot-check of some references and couldn't find any problems. My last thing is the last sentence in the lead section. Presently it is
The film received critical acclaim. Dutt won several awards, including Global Indian Film Awards for Best Actor (Critics).
which seems slightly clunky. I think it just needs a little bit of tweaking to something like (not word for word, it's just that "the film..." sentence is so very short):
The film received critical acclaim with Dutt winning several awards for his role, including Global Indian Film Awards for Best Actor (Critics).
Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 21:57, 19 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Shearonink: I have tweaked the sentence. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 11:05, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question – @Shearonink: Have you looked at the reliability and formatting of the sources, in addition to doing spot-checks? Please let us know if that is the case. If so, we can consider this the article's source review and not have to do a separate one. Giants2008 (Talk) 15:41, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Giants2008 I did a spot-check of various sources I picked out randomly (maybe 15 or 20 total?). I didn't find any issues at all but then again I didn't do a massive/comprehensive review of every ref...if a complete ref-check is necessary for this FLC I suppose we could split the refs up and each interested editor could check a specific section (like, Refs 1-20 or 1-30 or whatever). I do not have the time to check all 186 references by myself... Shearonink (talk) 17:02, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Notifying @Giants2008:___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 11:45, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I'll remember to review those items if the FLC gets to that point and no one else has done it. Thanks for doing spot-checking, which is very valuable in its own right. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:47, 27 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
* Comments by Dharmadhyaksha:
  • Dutt did not host the TV shows Comedy Circus, The Drama Company and Entertainment Ki Raat as is claimed in the article. Please rectify.
done
I am against mentioning minor appearances as "guest" on various reality shows. If you want to keep it, and if that's the generally accepted practice, how do you confirm that these three shows are the only shows he has appeared in as "guest". Or, how do you ensure the list is comprehensive? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:46, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dharmadhyaksha Dutt has not appeared in many shows as a host. The best thing would be to remove the section.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 11:50, 25 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't oppose deletion of the whole section. But his Bigg Boss host needs to be mentioned in prose somewhere. Rest all minor appearances can be neglected and deleted. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 02:47, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dharmadhyaksha done, I have mentioned Bigg Boss.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 12:39, 26 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's the difference between "Cameo appearance" and "Guest appearance"?
Cameo is a short appearance, which is in character. Guest is like the appearance of a celebrity.
  • Dutt has won 3 more awards for Lage Raho Munna Bhai. But lead mentions "Global Indian Film Awards for Best Actor (Critics)". GIFA was presented only for 2 years and is not very notable as such. I would prefer mentioning Star Screen Award and/or Zee Cine Awards which were both established in late 1990s and haven't died yet.
done
  • You may also mention that Lage Raho was sequel/follw-up of MBBS.
done
  • Sunil Dutt was his father and he launched him. Isn't that worth mentioning?
done
  • Dutt seems to have collaborated with many directors for multiple times. That finds no mention in lead. Is it not not-worthy or are they no such references linking/establishing the collaboration?
done
done
done

§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 12:50, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Dharmadhyaksha: I have fixed the problem's raised above. And thanks for your comments.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 20:08, 24 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from Aoba47

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  • The word "directed" is not needed in this part "in his father Sunil Dutt's directed romantic action film Rocky (1981)".
  • It should be "a series" in this part "After appearing in series of box office flops" instead of just "series".
  • I would use "performance" instead of "appearance" in this part "He also received critical acclaim for his appearance." unless the critics are literally praising his physical appearance in this film.
  • I would avoid the repetition of "the film" in this part "The film was successful at the box office, the film grossed ₹230 million". It can be easily corrected by changing the latter half of the sentence to ", grossing ₹230 million".
  • For this part "The film received critical acclaim from critics", the "from critics" part is not necessary as that is already covered in "critical acclaim".
  • This part "Dutt has frequently collaborated with film director's including Rajkumar Hirani, Vidhu Vinod Chopra, and Mahesh Bhatt." sounds odd to me as it is not particularly odd for actors to collaborate with film directors. I would change it to something "Dutt has frequently collaborated with directors Rajkumar Hirani, Vidhu Vinod Chopra, and Mahesh Bhatt." to be more specific.
  • For this part "alongside of Salman Khan", it should just be "alongside" not "alongside of".
  • I would use "Child actor" instead of "Child artist".

Once my comments are addressed, I will be more than happy to support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 22:34, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Aoba47: I have fixed all of the comments. Thanks.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 16:32, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for addressing everything. I support this for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 16:51, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – As promised, I'll have a look at the sourcing. Spot-checks were done already, source reliability looks okay, and the link-checker tool shows no problems. The formatting has a few issues, however:

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:10, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
*Some of the references are using a different type of citation templates than the others; it's apparent because "retrieved" shows up in lower-case for them. The style of cite template should be made consistent throughout. My suggestion is to change the citation templates to the cite xxx family, since there are many fewer of them. The ones that need fixing are in the first 70 references, so you only have to check the first half of the list for them, in case that helps.
  • Ref 17 has page numbers that could be added to that cite. There was one other Google Books link without a page number, but that link doesn't give page numbers so there's nothing to fix.
  • The ISBN numbers in refs 15 and 17 need hyphens, for both style and consistency reasons.
  • I see some inconsistencies in reference publishers. There are multiple instances of both British Film Institute and BFI, and is italicized sometimes but not always. The latter problem is also an issue for British Board of Film Classification cites. Pick one style for both and stick with it throughout.
  • An access date isn't needed in ref 61, since that is a cite to a book and the Google Books link is merely a convenience link (the book itself could be cited if the links ever went dead).
  • All caps in the title of ref 73 need removal. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:40, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
*Giants2008 I have fixed all of the problems with sources. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk (We are the champions, my friends) 11:51, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah good job CAPTAIN MEDUSA. Thanks for checking the sourcing Giants2008. Shearonink (talk) 02:53, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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