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Premier League Golden Boot

Featured list candidates/Premier League Golden Boot/archive1

Nominator(s): Bloom6132 (talk) 03:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it has been improved significantly since January and now meets all 6 FL criteria. This is my 12th FLC nomination, but first non-baseball nom and first one on football, so please be understanding if I get anything "football-specific" wrong. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I don't see anything sourcing the stats, in particular the number of games played by each player..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:12, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Arsenal.com article under the general ref sources every entry in the table. That was the only reliable source I could find that has a record of every goal and game played by the winner. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:43, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Soccerbase would have them all, I would have thought. Here is RvP's record for 2011/12, which if used as a source would remove the need for the note at the bottom indicating that Arsenal have their own player's stats wrong! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:19, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I would still need the note, since the article will still be used to source his winning the award that year. If you want, I'll add the Soccerbase source for RVP's 2011–12 stats, but only for that year as I'm not very keen on having to produce individual Soccerbase sources for all the other years. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:54, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support - actually now that you've explained all that, it all seems OK -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:36, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 20:29, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments (sorry for the delay)

"annual .. presented each season..." do you really need both?

Fixed. Removed the latter phrase. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"In addition to the award..." what exactly is the award?

The trophy that the winner receives (no free-use images I'm afraid). Would you like me to use that term or "award trophy" instead? —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see the bit where you said a trophy was awarded...! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:52, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nah, you didn't miss it. I didn't mention it previously. Changed to "trophy" now. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:59, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Don't overlink £.

Fixed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Link sponsor first time round.

Linked. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"the most times out of all players" a bit American. Maybe, "Henry has won the award four times, more than any other player."

Changed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Carlos Tévez" our article seems to omit the diacritic...

Fixed. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting by player name, I get Henry, Henry 4, Henry 2, Henry 3...

Sorry, but I'm not really sure how to fix this. It appears the problem lies with the orange colour utilized for European Golden Shoe winners, since the cells are grouped together as coloured v. no fill. I'm guessing this is the case given the fact that none of the other multiple award winners have the same sorting problem, and all the other EGS winners won the PL Golden Boot only once. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect you can use trickery, such as the {{ntsh}} template, which provides an invisible sort. You may need to do something odd like add {{ntsh|Henry 1}} etc, but have an experiment, and do check out the template documentation, it's reasonably helpful. If all else fails, ping me and I'll see what I can do. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:51, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed it. However, it leaves an ugly space in between the player's name and the double-dagger. Without the space, the ntsh won't work. Do you know how I could keep the space in the wikitext, while hiding it in the article itself? —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I had a quick look, perhaps the {{sort}} template is better than the one I original suggested. It makes for clunky mark-up but it may work and allow you to remove that space... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent, it sorts perfectly. Thanks for the suggestion! —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:27, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support nice piece of work, well done. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:29, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Cirt (resolved) — Cirt (talk) 23:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Comments from Cirt

Comment: Some comments, (having stumbled here from my FLC discussion page). ...

NOTE: Please respond, below entire set of comments, and not interspersed throughout, thanks!
Image review: One major problem: File:AlanShearer2004.png depends on File:Fung Ka Ki and Alan Shearer at friendly opening 2004.jpg which was deleted for no permission, so that one has to be deleted as well. All other images check out okay. So not done for now. Not done
Notes - Please change title of sect to "Footnotes".
References - Please break out to 2 separate sects, one for "Notes", then one for "References". Notes are the inline cites, References are the general references those cites refer back to.
Notes - Please add inline cites to back up the assertions for each of these footnotes.
See also - Consider adding a few more entries here. Suggest adding also a couple more relevant portals.
Otherwise, all looks great, quite high quality.
Please feel free to update me or drop me a note once above is responded to, and after that I'll have another look over to see if I'm ready to Support at that point in time.
NOTE: Please respond, below entire set of comments, and not interspersed throughout, thanks!

— Cirt (talk) 21:07, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Cirt – Replaced Alan Shearer's pic with a free one.
Regarding the "Notes" and "References" comments, I modelled it after recently-passed FL Marvin Miller Man of the Year Award, List of Major League Baseball pitchers who have struck out four batters in one inning, etc. For consistency sake, I'd rather leave it in its current, FLC-approved format.
Regarding "Notes" and inline cites, all but one of my notes have inline citations already. And the only one that doesn't (note 2) doesn't need a citation, since it is giving common knowledge and not asserting a claim (i.e. it's common knowledge that players usually don't play every game in the season. But I'm trying to make it clear that this relates to the number of games the player played in, not the number of games in a season).
Added List of Premier League players with 100 or more goals to "See also" section. It was the only relevant one I could find (hat-trick list has iffy relation at best).

—Bloom6132 (talk) 21:45, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Thanks for the quick responsiveness to my comments. Good luck with rest of FLC, — Cirt (talk) 23:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the review! —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:26, 5 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:35, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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