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Little Walter discography

Featured list candidates/Little Walter discography/archive1

Nominator(s): Ojorojo (talk) 17:46, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After several discographies for guitarists, I thought it was time for a harmonica player. Little Walter was a true innovator and one of, if not the most famous blues harpist of all. Most of his recordings were for the Checker/Chess labels, so his discography is relatively straightforward and benefits from some excellent sources. It's a relatively new article, but the former discography section in his WP bio didn't have problems. Enjoy. Ojorojo (talk) 17:46, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kavyansh

Resolved comments from Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

* Article is missing a short description.

I thought the title was sufficiently self-explanatory, but added one. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are no images in the article. Is there nothing relevant and freely licenced to add?
Other than an unclear photo of a statue in Commons,[2] I couldn't find any (his WP article uses an album cover). —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can we have a link to harmonica?
Linked. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"As the featured artist" — I initially read it as "As a featured article"!
"Featured" is often overused, but I think it works here. Suggestions? —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Little Walter died in 1968, just as renewed interest in electric blues shifted the focus from singles to albums" — would "Little Walter died in 1968, a time when interest in electric blues shifted the focus from singles to albums" read better?
Nice, I added yours. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"List of singles with title, year, label, chart peak, and reference(s)" — better to use this caption for the table only for the screen reader, using {{sronly}}
Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Same with the table caption of "Selected compilation albums" table, and all others.
Done. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"legality was dubious" — the prose does not make clear who said this quote.
Added author and linked. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As accompanist/collaborator > Singles table > Chart peak U.S. R&B column — there is inconsistency in dashes. We have both em-dash and en-dash present. Few cells don't have dashes. What does that denote?
Fixed typos. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We have both ISBN 10 and ISBN 13.
I used the ISBNs as listed in the sources I used, with ISBN 13 being the first choice if there were both. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ref#29: Glover 2003 — doesn't point to any citation
Fixed typo. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I think I've addressed your concerns. Let me know if I missed something. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Was just waiting for Chris's comments to be resolved. With that being done, I support – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 15:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:40, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

;Drive-by comment

Ref 29 is giving a Harv error...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:59, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed typo. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:13, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments

"My Babe" can't have entered the Hot 100 in 1955 because that chart wasn't created until 1958
Addressed below. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Rolling Stone magazine ranked it at number 198 in it's list" => "Rolling Stone magazine ranked it at number 198 in its list"
Fixed typo. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"These include Chance Records" => "These include releases on Chance Records"
Better, added. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You have a footnote saying that "My Babe" charted on the Bubbling Under the Hot 100 listing, which a) contradicts the earlier claim that it actually entered the Hot 100 and b) again isn't possible, as the Bubbling Under chart also didn't exist in 1955. Unless it made that chart at a later date after a re-release...?
Addressed below. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Confessin' the Blues album is unreferenced
Added ref (seems I made several of these fixes before; maybe they got lost in the shuffle). —Ojorojo (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"or the "legality was dubious"" - not sure this really needs to be a quote (with no attribution). You could just say "or of dubious legality", without the quote marks
I think a quote is a better way to present a legal opinion. Added and linked the author. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Ramblin on My Mind" has a stray random quote mark in its title. Also, "Note: Includes "Hear That Whistle Blow" recorded with Young c.1964" - who's Young?
Removed stray and linked Johnny Young. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Footnote a is a complete sentence so needs a full stop.
Fixed both. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:33, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Think that's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:32, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- I just remembered I actually own Joel Whitburn's Bubbling Under book - d'oh!! I checked and "My Babe" entered that chart in 1960. According to the book it wasn't the same recording as the one which was a big R&B hit in 1955. I note that you already have this version listed separately in the table, so I think the footnote against the 1955 version be moved and put against this version -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:59, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Good catch. Whitburn got it wrong in the 1988 edition of Top R&B Singles. He lists "Pop Pos 106" only for the "My Babe" 1955 entry (no 1960s entry), but I couldn't find it in any copies of Billboard from 1955. However, I did find it in the July 4, 1960, "Bubbling Under" listing at No. 6 and from an earlier BB review, it's an overdubbed/remixed version. I'll make the necessary corrections. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One more comment

Re Kavyansh's second point, I found this image. It's not the greatest, but it could be added so that there isn't no image at all. Up to you really, it's not a deal-breaker for me either way..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As I mentioned to Kavyansh above, it's not very good quality. I'll keep looking. —Ojorojo (talk) 16:02, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
His foundation website has a few photos,[3] but most look similar to those used in box set booklets that indicate "courtesy of" various photographers and MCA/Chess. A fansite also has a number of photos that are attributed to various photographers,[4] which I assume means they aren't in the public domain. But maybe something will turn up. Thanks for your comments. —Ojorojo (talk) 18:10, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And one more comment :-)

All of Walter's hits up to and including "Who" charted when Billboard published separate jukebox and sales charts. All of the chart positions listed are for the jukebox chart - he was less successful on the sales chart. Is it worth adding a footnote to confirm exactly which chart the positions relate to? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:18, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Whitburn appears to list whichever of the three is highest (juke box, best sellers, or jockeys) for "Peak Pos" and in Walter's case, that happens to be juke box for all of his singles up to "Who". I'll add an efn to clarify this for his solo records, but those with Muddy Waters are split between juke box and sellers (and one jockey). To try to list all three would overcomplicate the table and just picking one chart would leave some singles out. Maybe an efn with "Except for "Close to You", singles with Muddy Waters reflect the highest position on one the three Billboard R&B charts ("Juke Box", "Best Sellers", or "Jockeys") in use at the time. For "Close to You", the consolidated "Hot R&B Sides" is used." Would that work? —Ojorojo (talk) 14:52, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds reasonable :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:53, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Added. Thanks again. —Ojorojo (talk) 17:36, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:59, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Aoba47

This may sound silly, but I think sideman is worthy linking. I was not familiar with the word, although I could guess its meaning from context, but I'd think other readers may want further clarification as well so a link would be beneficial. I'd link it in the lead and the list.
I would also link electric blues and Grammy Award for Best Historical Album.
Since harmonica is linked in the lead, it should be linked in the list for consistency.

My comments are very nitpick-y so apologies for that. Once they have all been addressed, I will be more than happy to support this FLC for promotion. It would be great to see Little Walter being represented in Wikipedia's featured content. Aoba47 (talk) 19:56, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I try to stay away from too much blue in the lead, but if it helps clarify terms for the average reader, I've linked them. Thanks for your comments. —Ojorojo (talk) 14:38, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for addressing everything. I support this FLC for promotion. Aoba47 (talk) 16:37, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Source reliability and formatting both look strong throughout, and no issues were identified by the link-checker tool. This is a pass for me. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:29, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support by Gerald Waldo Luis

Interesting person; never knew harmonica is more complex than it looks. I also have a discography FLC if you're interested.

Aaand all comments resolved, so support. Marvelous work! Gerald WL 17:05, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Gerald WL 17:05, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

* In the infobox it's "as accompanist", but in the section heading it's "accompanist/collaborator". If accompanist and collaborator are different things, I suggest incorporating both in the infobox; if no, suggest removing one of them.

Since it only affects one album, removed collaborator from the heading and clarified the album entry. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"released during his lifetime is a compilation"-- link compilation album within "compilation".
I try to avoid too much blue in the lead (MOS:LEADLINK); these are terms that encyclopedia readers should understand and the linked articles do not provide additional insight. Are there any compelling reasons for the links? —Ojorojo (talk) 15:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Link box set
See above. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"were as a harmonica player backing bluesmen"-- Link backing vocalist
"Backing vocalist" is not mentioned ("sideman" is linked). —Ojorojo (talk) 15:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No citations for the rpm claim.
Lists of records with images issued by Chance, Parkway, and Regal (1947–1950) only show 78s, while those on Checker show both formats (at least until 1960). Unfortunately, I haven't found a good source that actually states this. Would a series of {{Cite AV media}} suffice? An alternative solution would be to reword it: "These singles were issued on 78 rpm and 45 rpm records, when they were the standard formats." —Ojorojo (talk) 16:20, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No problems for the tables :)
"Little Walter was a singles artist"-- Link Single (music) within "single"
See earlier comment. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"the compilation Best of Little Walter"-- link compilation album
See earlier comment. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"sometimes by other record companies without authorization"-- record companies or labels?
A record company may have several labels; used the broader term. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"on many compilations by Muddy Waters and Jimmy Rogers"-- the names have been previously mentioned, so remove "Muddy" and "Jimmy"
"Waters" is not a last name (note the table sorting) and some have argued that stage names should always be written in full (it may be easier to see with a name like "Guitar Slim"). "Muddy Waters and Rogers" looks awkward, so included "Jimmy" also. —Ojorojo (talk) 15:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recall other FLs and FAs using "Variety.com", it's just "Variety".
The announcement was taken from its online story, rather than the print version. Template:Cite web#website doesn't make it clear. Is there additional guidance on this? —Ojorojo (talk) 15:10, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, even the online version "Variety" is used. See for example Bad Times at the El Royale and List of awards and nominations received by Brooklyn Nine-Nine. ".com" generally isn't used unless the website has its own article, for example ABS-CBNnews.com. Gerald WL 15:25, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK, dropped the ".com". —Ojorojo (talk) 16:20, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Promoting. --Pres N 02:42, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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