Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of counties in Missouri/archive1

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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 18:39, 24 October 2009 [1].

List of counties in Missouri

Nominator(s): JUJUTACULAR | TALK 21:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Featured list candidates/List of counties in Missouri/archive1

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the criteria. I substantially improved the list between Sept 14-17, then requested a peer review. Additional improvements were made there. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 21:55, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I'm sorry to do this to you, but the images need ALT text, including the county maps, which can be inserted using the |Alt= parameter in {{countyrow}}. I feel your pain, I did this for List of counties in New Jersey (although this wasn't nearly as bad).
I noticed that {{countyrow}} creates a default alt text - "State map highlighting X County" (see altviewer). If you feel that a more specific alt text is required (like you did in NJ), I will do so. This will take me some time with 115 of them :). On a side note, the map at the beginning of the article does not have a caption or alt text. It uses {{Missouri County Labelled Map}}, which I am not at all sure how to create alt text or a caption for. If you or anyone else could assist, it would be greatly appreciated. In the meantime I will get working on the alt text for maps highlighting the various counties. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 03:28, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I got on a roll and did all of the county row alt texts. I'm a little tired though, if someone could look over my work. Anyway, the map at the top still needs figuring out. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 05:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I added the "caption" parameter to {{Missouri County Labelled Map}}. In {{Image label begin/doc}}, it says that this specifies the "alt text", but the altviewer still says it does not have alt-text. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 05:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done thanks to Eubulides. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 09:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If there's any information available, add to the lead regarding the function of counties in Missouri. See the NJ link above for a recently-promoted example. Mm40 (talk) 02:22, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I will check for information available related to this. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 03:28, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done JUJUTACULAR | TALK 00:05, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Geraldk

Comments
- In the etymology for Caldwell County, you give reasons for notably for the other two possible sources of the name, but give no identifying information about Mathew Caldwell. Who was he to be notable enough to (maybe) have a county named after him?
- The etymology for Henry County needs a grammar check-up.
- As with Caldwell County, the mention of Thomas J. Howell under Howell County is not given any identifying information.
  No sources I can find give identifying information about him, but merely list him as a possible origin of the name. Do you recommend removing him, or leaving it as is? JUJUTACULAR | TALK 23:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- In the etymology for Iron County, the word iron should not be capitalized
- For Lafayette County, you probably want to explain why Lafayette was important
- In Lawrence County, why link the wikiquote article rather that the article Last words?
- Also in Lawrence County, do the sources really suggest that "Don't give up the ship" is still a popular battle cry?
- Macon County, 'and' should be either 'who' or 'who also'
- Platte County, the etymology column needs to be reworded so it isn't sentences with periods, to match the others
- under former county names, Lillard County, it isn't clear whether he served in the Tennessee or Missouri legislature
  - Geraldk (talk) 19:09, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Done with everything ~~except Howell County (see comment above)~~. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 23:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - If there are no sources that say who he is, then don't worry about clarifying. You have to keep his name in, though, as the sources do say the county may be named for him. Good work, as someone who has done county lists before, I know this one must have been a headache. Geraldk (talk) 02:17, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - no outstanding issues.陣内 _Jinnai 17:55, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues 陣内 _Jinnai

Question

If St. Louis City is listed as an independent city not inside any county jurisdiction, why is it on the county list?陣内 _Jinnai 20:42, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The county lists include sub-state government entities that are considered county-equivalents. When state constitutions and governance recognize a city as having the same powers and role as counties, there is no real difference except a name. For example, List of counties in Maryland includes Baltimore City, which is treated by the state government and constitution as the equivalent of a county. Geraldk (talk) 21:29, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment
- I don't see anything mentioning the border changes due to the 1812 New Madrid earthquake.陣内 _Jinnai 03:30, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  The last of that series of earthquakes occurred February 7, 1812. The five original counties in Missouri were not formed until October 20, 1812. True, the earthquakes changed the course of the Mississippi and altered what would become state borders (Missouri became a state in 1820), the internal county borders of Missouri did not change, as they had not been formed. Although it is a very interesting event (it formed an exclave of Kentucky, an entity I hadn't heard of before this), I do not believe the event warrants mention in a list of counties in Missouri. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 18:29, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Oppose~~ Support Seem to be an awful lot of old county names without entomology. As I found information on at least of them Niangua County I believe others could reasonably exist.陣内_Jinnai 02:41, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I assume that Jinnai meant "etymology" :) Dabomb87 (talk) 03:08, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I have expanded the former county name etymology section. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 16:02, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - ~~Seems there is some disagreement on the origins of Atchison County. That site list it as originating from Holt County.~~陣内_Jinnai 19:45, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Holt County was part of the Platte Purchase, so Atchison is also part of the Platte Purchase. Its origins were listed as "Holt County, Platte Purchase" - so I changed it to: "Holt County, part of the Platte Purchase". Let me know what you think. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 22:28, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Other problems:
- Chariton County - has a disputed naming history
  Technically, the naming history of the county is not disputed. All sources say the the county is named for the Chariton River. The river has a disputed naming history. Do you think it would be beneficial to include this information? JUJUTACULAR | TALK 22:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Probably link to the river. Something like "Named after the Chariton River whose naming origin is disputed." or something like that.陣内 _Jinnai 21:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    Done JUJUTACULAR | TALK 22:30, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- McDonald County - originally defined in the legislature as Seneca County
  Seneca County is already included in the former county names section. JUJUTACULAR | TALK 22:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Other things that could be noted
- Gasconade County - could add info on it being one of the oldest known suriving satirical names for the region.
- Osage County - could add info on the corruption of the word per other county names
- Ozark County - Add the meaning for the word Ozark
- Vernon County - that originally Venom County was formed having the same territory as Bates County陣内 _Jinnai 03:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  Done with "other things" JUJUTACULAR | TALK 22:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:32, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) According to this, Moniteau County's area is 416.52, so shouldn't it be 417 in the table? Fixed JUJUTACULAR

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:32, 17 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support—NMajdan•talk 14:57, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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