Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of colleges and universities in New Hampshire
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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 10 days, 4 support, 0 oppose. Promote. Scorpion0422 16:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've done a lot of work on this one, modeling it after List of colleges and universities in Vermont (already an FL). I've established comprehensivity (is that a word?) by perusing the The Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System (IPEDS) and the State of New Hampshire's list of Colleges & Universities Approved to Operate in New Hampshire. The images used are all free, the article has a good lead, and I think generally meets the criteria. Please let me know what can be done to improve it, if anything. Thanks! Dylan 21:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- SupportLooks pretty straightforward. Maybe consider separating the content notes from the references. I'm not sure the seal is necessary as a lead image either. Circeus 22:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply That's a good idea to separate notes from references; do you know how to do that, technically? I only really know <ref>. Regarding the seal, I know it isn't necessary, but it's a public domain image and I just thought it would be nice as a throwaway intro picture, rather than just another picture of a campus building as in the body. I'm not married to it -- feel free to change it, but I think it looks pretty good. Dylan 22:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Usually, what is used is a combination of {{ref label}} (so that you can use labels that are not numbers) and {{note label}}. The gritty parts are all explained at Template:Ref. Circeus 04:32, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply That's a good idea to separate notes from references; do you know how to do that, technically? I only really know <ref>. Regarding the seal, I know it isn't necessary, but it's a public domain image and I just thought it would be nice as a throwaway intro picture, rather than just another picture of a campus building as in the body. I'm not married to it -- feel free to change it, but I think it looks pretty good. Dylan 22:43, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments - (1) I visited the article and was troubled by the red link pointing to North Country, New Hampshire (not a specific place), as a location where Wheelock College offers programs. I'd like that red link to go away, and was hoping that something more specific could be said. I see that http://www.wheelock.edu/off/NorthCountry_Info.pdf does not say anything about where in the "north country" they will offer their program. Would it be valid to say "northern New Hampshire" and get rid of the red link?
- (2) Circeus also advised me to use both references and notes, and advised that both are often used in Discography lists. I found an example and implemented the separation in List of cities and towns in Tennessee. --Orlady 00:51, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- (1) That's the thing, I'm not positive that North Country refers to the region and not a specific town; they always treat "North Country, NH" in the same way as if a town was named that, and I can't find any instance in which an alternate town name is given. I'm happy to get rid of the redlink, but I figured it was possible that North Country was the same of a village or hamlet or unincorporated area or something that thereby might not have a Wikipedia article.
- (2) Thanks - I've separated them. Dylan
- I don't know who you are referring to when you say "they" who always treat "North Country" as if a town were named that. A quick Google excursion turned up TeachNorth, the North Country initiative for teacher recruitment, covering the whole north half of the state, and very possibly related to Wheelock's graduate program in "North Country." Then there's North Country Chamber of Commerce, covering 8 NH towns and villages plus several more in Vermont; North Country News, a bi-weekly newspaper serving northern New Hampshire and Vermont; Frommer's Complete Guide to New Hampshire's North Country (mentioning Errol, Gorham, Berlin, the Androscoggin River, and Lake Umbagog); and this weather forecast for North Country/Mt. Washington Valley, "including Plymouth, Littleton, Franconia, Jackson, North Conway, Gorham, Berlin, Colebrook, Errol." Among news headlines, I found "Bill Clinton Campaigns For Wife In North Country" (he went to Gorham and Whitefield) and "Giuliani Takes Bid to N.H. North Country" (he went to Berlin and Dixville Notch). I think "North Country" is a region. --Orlady (talk) 03:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- "They" refers to Wheelock itself, which only refers to it in the same pairing as one would expect for a town name: "North Country, NH" (i.e. never rearranged as "the North Country of New Hampshire" or another permutation which I think would be more likely if it was indeed a region). More tellingly, they never present an alternate location, which if North Country was a region would be the specific town name. Indeed, North Country is listed alongside other "Town, NH"-formatted place names:
- Portland, ME [pdf] | Concord, NH [pdf] | North Country, NH [pdf]
- It seems very odd to me that they would keep a consistent format for the first two entries of a list and then break it in the third one, particularly without noting the actual town location. I agree that in the links you've just cited it's always treated as a region, but if this program exists, it must be located or at least headquartered in a specific town, and there's no reason for Wheelock to consistently omit that information. Dylan (talk) 04:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- My guess would that the program is NOT headquartered in a specific town. These are weekend programs for working professionals. It is very likely that they operate in rented space (such as a hotel conference center) somewhere in the North Country, and they may not know where they will be from one year to the next. Furthermore, most of these towns are pretty small (not like Portland or Concord); if they gave the name of a specific town, people might not know where it is. Note that the http://www.wheelock.edu/off/index.asp page also lists a location in "Cape Cod, MA", which also is not a discrete place (but the PDF for that one is identified as Hyannis). --Orlady (talk) 04:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, I see. Yeah, you're probably right. I've changed it. Dylan (talk) 04:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks good now. --Orlady (talk) 14:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, I see. Yeah, you're probably right. I've changed it. Dylan (talk) 04:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- My guess would that the program is NOT headquartered in a specific town. These are weekend programs for working professionals. It is very likely that they operate in rented space (such as a hotel conference center) somewhere in the North Country, and they may not know where they will be from one year to the next. Furthermore, most of these towns are pretty small (not like Portland or Concord); if they gave the name of a specific town, people might not know where it is. Note that the http://www.wheelock.edu/off/index.asp page also lists a location in "Cape Cod, MA", which also is not a discrete place (but the PDF for that one is identified as Hyannis). --Orlady (talk) 04:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- "They" refers to Wheelock itself, which only refers to it in the same pairing as one would expect for a town name: "North Country, NH" (i.e. never rearranged as "the North Country of New Hampshire" or another permutation which I think would be more likely if it was indeed a region). More tellingly, they never present an alternate location, which if North Country was a region would be the specific town name. Indeed, North Country is listed alongside other "Town, NH"-formatted place names:
- I don't know who you are referring to when you say "they" who always treat "North Country" as if a town were named that. A quick Google excursion turned up TeachNorth, the North Country initiative for teacher recruitment, covering the whole north half of the state, and very possibly related to Wheelock's graduate program in "North Country." Then there's North Country Chamber of Commerce, covering 8 NH towns and villages plus several more in Vermont; North Country News, a bi-weekly newspaper serving northern New Hampshire and Vermont; Frommer's Complete Guide to New Hampshire's North Country (mentioning Errol, Gorham, Berlin, the Androscoggin River, and Lake Umbagog); and this weather forecast for North Country/Mt. Washington Valley, "including Plymouth, Littleton, Franconia, Jackson, North Conway, Gorham, Berlin, Colebrook, Errol." Among news headlines, I found "Bill Clinton Campaigns For Wife In North Country" (he went to Gorham and Whitefield) and "Giuliani Takes Bid to N.H. North Country" (he went to Berlin and Dixville Notch). I think "North Country" is a region. --Orlady (talk) 03:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - The list is comprehensive, thoroughly documented, and appropriately formatted. I'd feel better about it if Magdalen College weren't a red link. It's understandable that defunct colleges might not have articles, but the active ones ought to have articles. --Orlady (talk) 03:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I made some changes to the notes, labeling them appropriately. Why are you "disrespecting" Magdalen College? Seriously, that red link needs to be gone. --Crzycheetah 05:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]