Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of camouflage methods/archive1

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The list was promoted by Hahc21 10:01, 15 March 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of camouflage methods

Featured list candidates/List of camouflage methods/archive1

Nominator(s): Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:07, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it lists a substantial number of methods of camouflage, showing how each is applied in different contexts in zoological and military usage, with images and citations for each instance. The main camouflage article describes the theory of these methods but does not have space for so many images, nor for such a long list with its detailed classification of methods and contexts. The two articles together, however, provide encyclopedic coverage of the topic. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:07, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I didn't do a thorough review of the article yet, but the problem I had at first glance was that there are no explanations on the camouflage methods. The name and images are not always sufficient for a non-expert to understand what they are talking about. For example, I can't readily tell the difference between "aggressive mimicry" and "special aggressive resemblance". In fact, when looking at the examples for special aggressive resemblance, I get the feeling that this method is about concealing the danger you present (or trying to "look innocent") but the name suggests otherwise. If you could add another column to the table that gives a brief explanation on each method (especially since most of them don't have individual articles the reader could look at), that would be great. I'm not asking for lengthy and detailed explanations, but at least a line or two. This deals with camouflage methods after all and not only examples of camouflage, so I think as a stand-alone list it should be more self-explanatory. Chamal ^T•C 15:21, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly, done. I wasn't sure that so much text was permitted in a list but have gladly supplied brief explanations. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:53, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support: No other issues from me. It's a bit different from most FLs, but I think it is of FL quality. Chamal ^T•C 02:36, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from --Tomcat (7) 19:31, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

*Comments

You did not mention aerial animals in the lead.

done

", over its whole body," - both commas not needed imho

comma removed

Better linking countershading in the first occasion

done

"this means that in that environment, that method is used widely" - probably "that method is used widely in that environment"

good suggestion, done

"possibly in a majority of cases" - prefer "in most cases"

done

"countershading is very common in land animals" - I am not sure if "in" should be "on"

used 'among' instead

", but little used for military camouflage" - suggest "but not for military camouflage"

done

Probably convert metres to foot

Overall looks quite interesting. High-quality pictures and sources.--Tomcat (7) 16:12, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:34, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support--Tomcat (7) 19:31, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 10:44, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments definitely an interesting list, something we rarely see here, so well done for that!

Thank you very much.

Size of the lead image and infobox combined makes the start of the article rather overwhelming...

smaller lead image, moved down and left

Image captions which are complete sentences should have a full stop.

done (let me know if any more, or please punctuate!)

"Different camouflage methods employed by terrestrial, aerial, and aquatic animals, and in military usage, are compared in the table" bad start, let's spend a few sentences describing what "camouflage" is before saying we'll compare methods in "the table".

added first paragraph on camouflage itself

In fact, the whole lead is pretty much a key to the table, whereas I'd like to see some introduction on what the whole thing is about!

treated as part of previous item, if that's ok

"Terrestrial, Aerial" - overcapitalised.

done

Since most of the information in the table is visual, you need to ensure you have full compliance with WP:ACCESS and in our case (FLC) that also includes alt text.

done

Explain what DPM is before using the abbreviation.

done

I don't think "Countershading" is a proper noun so it doesn't need the capital C.

done

"Gun camouflaged" but no image?

done

"(see above)" where in particular?

removed

Mildly confused how an air-to-air missile (specifically) displays "motion camouflage", but I'm not an expert, could you explain? Isn't your definition the case for any kind of ballistic missile?

In motion camouflage, the position is chosen to lie on a line between the start and the target, whereas in classical pursuit (dog after rabbit) the pursuer turns directly towards the target at all times. Missiles can use either strategy. Ballistic missiles use neither, but fly like a thrown ball. Have added "rather than going straight for the target."

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:23, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Have addressed all comments to date, hope satisfactorily. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:39, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - it's a pretty cool list, and I'm almost ready to support, except... what are the last three columns sorting on? I can't tell if it's actually sorting on the image's file name or what, but it doesn't seem helpful. --Pres N 20:00, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done - names placed before images to permit sorting on last 3 columns. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:56, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, flipped to Support. --Pres N 04:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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