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List of Wales international footballers

Featured list candidates/List of Wales international footballers/archive1

Nominator(s): Kosack (talk) 17:55, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I have expanded and referenced the list from its original incarnation to meet the FL criteria, using the four promoted international footballer lists as a guide. I look forward to any comments. Kosack (talk) 17:55, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Courcelles (talk) 15:13, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

*May I suggest using rowspans for the # column, instead of ='s? When you sort by any other metric but caps, the =s become somewhat nonsensical.

"which encompasses the countries of Europe." Plus Israel.
Ref 15 is not a reference, and should be placed in a separate "notes" section.
We need a source for those who managed the team as well.
What makes ref 18 reliable?

Courcelles (talk) 00:28, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Courcelles: Hi, thanks for the review. Just to clarify, do you mean to remove the ='s and replace them? Kosack (talk) 06:38, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed the other issues you raised above. In regards to Neil Brown's website, the site is widely used as a reliable source for English Football League players and is listed at recommended Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Links and has a template for inclusion at Template:NeilBrownPlayers. Kosack (talk) 07:22, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'd replace them with rowspan's and only type the number once. That way when you sort it the field will still be meaningful. Courcelles (talk) 12:03, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Courcelles: Ah I see, I've changed the column for that now. It works much better, thanks for the suggestion. I think I've addressed all of your points now. Kosack (talk) 14:18, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Check entry 16, the years column doesn’t seem to sort properly? Courcelles (talk) 14:51, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, a bit of left over formatting, sorted now. Kosack (talk) 15:10, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Courcelles (talk) 15:13, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 12:53, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Would have thought the title needed to note with more than 25 caps, particularly as there are other, more comprehensive lists (e.g. List of Wales international footballers (alphabetical), albeit out of date...).

The standard naming for these types of most capped articles are at the List of xxxx internationals or List of xxxx players, see Category:Lists of association football players by national team and Category:Lists of association football players by club in England, with the most capped players being listed in the main article with others broken down into more manageable lists, e.g. List of Scotland international footballers (1–4 caps) and List of Scotland international footballers (5–24 caps). The alphabetical list was moved there a couple of years ago with no discussion at the time which I would have opposed and splitting it down like the other lists is something I probably will look at. The only other nation with an alphabetical list seems to be England but the sheer size of those lists causes loading issues (certainly on mobile which I largely use). Kosack (talk) 09:17, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"international football " I don't think it would be too harmful to say "international association football" here.
" Since their debut, Wales have played 644 " needs {{as of}} here.
"in 1958", "in 2016", Easter Egg links.
"home nations" ->"Home Nations".
Lead image caption is fragment so no need for full stop.
" reach 50 caps for Wales are awarded a golden cap" maybe "appearances" instead of "caps" first time to avoid repeat.
Is Gunter still current, if so the lead could note that.
How do you verify those players who haven't retired yet?
Note a: avoid contractions -> haven't -> have not.
Dai Davis needs a comma in his pipe.
Same for Simon Davies.
David Phillips doesn't need "Welsh" in his pipe.
For those on equal caps, I would normally expect to see = added, e.g. 7= for Saunders and Hennessey.

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: Thanks very much for the review, I've amended all of the points you mentioned and included a note regarding the title. In regards to the active players, obviously not all players officially announce their retirement so, unless they have also retired at club level, all players who are still playing are regarded as active unless there has been an official statement to support retirement. Kosack (talk) 12:36, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support my concerns addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:53, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - my only concern is that the photo caption "John Toshack gained 40 caps for Wales and managed the side on two occasions." makes it sound like he literally only managed the team for two individual matches. Could it be re-worded at all......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:41, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the comment, I've reworded the caption to hopefully avoid any confusion. Kosack (talk) 08:08, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --Pres N 21:53, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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