Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of San Francisco 49ers head coaches

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 17:56, 23 June 2008 [1].

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List of San Francisco 49ers head coaches

This is a co-nomination with Milk's Favorite Cookie (talk · contribs). This list is based on List of New York Jets head coaches and List of New England Patriots head coaches. I hope it meets your expectations! Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 03:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs)

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• Support All my objections have been addresses. Good work, one of the better head coaches lists. As a side note, I would oppose the addition of color to the list, personally I think we need to get away from color, but that's just mho. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @ 20:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Matthew

Comments

• Wikilink to National Football League on the first use
  • Done. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 14:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• I'd prefer to see spaces between the date ranges, so "1968 – 1975" not "1968–1975"
  • Done. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 14:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
• Most other coach lists use colour as well as asterisks to highlight Hall of Famers
  • Well, if I can show something without using color, that's acceptable. Due to my color blindness, I had some slight trouble identifying HoFers from the coloring. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 14:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
    • But a precedence has been set in other FLC where the use of colour was approved. For consistency, it should be used here. To satisfy WP:ACCESS for color-blindness, there's that colour checker tool. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 05:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
      • We should just consider if this list meets the FL criteria. I am color blind, and I have problems seeing it. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 13:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
        • In any case, I have added the colors you requested. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 16:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

And that's all I have! Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 08:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Support. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

• Support (as co-nominator) « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 14:25, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "1946 – 1954" – Remove spaces for this and the others per WP:DASH
  • I added the space per request above. I forgot that dashes between years are unspaced, but dashes between full dates are spaced. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 14:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
• Extra line before " Coaches" section?
  • Fixed; noinclude tag removed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 14:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Gary King (talk) 04:06, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments from The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)

• "...49ers began play in ..." a bit jargony.
  • Reworded. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
• "head coach in franchise history. " in all franchises' history or just the 49ers franchise?
  • Clarified. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
• Link Super Bowl first time, not second time in the lead.
  • Done. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
• " Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Charles Haley, Ronnie Lott, Roger Craig, Fred Dean and Steve Young are among the players Walsh has coached in his career.[a][4][5][6]" - so what? Any reason to cherry pick these players, ie. what makes them more notable than any of the others? It's POV. Okay, so note [a] tries to explain but I'm uncomfortable with this sentence. Presumably you could list some "notable" players for all the coaches?
  • All these players were either Hall of Famers and/or selected to multiple Pro Bowls. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
• Lead reads odd towards the end - you have a blow-by-blow account of Christiansen (1974 to 1978) and then McCulley (1978) and then O'Connor (1979) and then you skip to present day.
  • Well, that whole paragraph was supposed to be about interim head coaches. I didn't want to include the current head coach in a one-liner. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
• Key - surely L should be losses not loses?
  • Surely, I've lost my mind. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
• Pity about the large number of red links for 49ers seasons.
  • Yes, pity. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
• Why is present in italics?
  • Every other coach has an ending year for their coaching tenure. I just use the italics to designate that this guy is still coaching. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
• "Win-Loss" or "Win–Loss"?
  • En dash. "As a substitute for some uses of and, to or versus for marking a relationship involving independent elements in certain compound expressions..." I believe it is appropriate here. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
    • So change note [b] to use the en-dash. Be consistent. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:12, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Fixed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 22:42, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
• "a 4x Pro Bowl selection." - yuck the 4x - four-time?
  • Fixed. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
• "Christiansen coached the 49ers to a 2–9 record ..." is repeated verbatim in the notes.
  • Reworded. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
• And note [d] is a complete copy-and-paste from the lead as well.

Me done. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:40, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

• • Ah, so I was feeling a bit uncreative. Reworded now. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 21:00, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

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