Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Philadelphia Phillies managers

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 16:12, 18 August 2008 [1].

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List of Philadelphia Phillies managers

previous FLC (16:51, 3 August 2008)

I am re-nominating this list, because I believe that all of the issues that needed to be addressed from the last FLC have been fixed. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 19:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
  • "...with 111 in..." - put this into context. Did they play 800 games or 111? One way or another it'll have a different impact. And most of us interested butWh non-US readers are amazed by the sheer volume of games that MLB teams get through!
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Why link season on its 6th use?
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • "in team history", "in team history" - team=franchise?
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • "The manager with the highest winning percentage over a full season or more was posted by ..." - no need for "posted by".
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • No need for bold in the key.
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Also no need for the full stops in the key.
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Left align the second column of the key.
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Stick with one date range format for seasons, so XXXX-XXXY or XXXX-XY.
    • I don't see the second format anywhere; if you see one, could you point it out to me? KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
      • Check the image captions. Also check for en-dash there too! The Rambling Man (talk) 17:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
        •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • I think it's worth explaining the difference in role between manager and general manager. Oddly, your list is of "...Phillies managers", not general managers...
    • Yes, I do think that's necessary, now that I look at it. Should I write a mini-lede explaining the role of the manager and the general manager before each table? Should I move the list to include GMs? KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
      • I think you just need to improve the lead to include a comprehensive discussion over the roles. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
        • How do those additions strike you (first ¶)? KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • " this manager has appeared in the playoffs" - you mean the number of times he led the Phillies into the playoffs?
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Why link WS in the table when it's already linked in the lead?
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • And I'd link PA in the key, or beforehand if possible, rather than in the table.
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • "b #49" - what is the relevance of 49?
    • Bowa is manager #49, but it's not really necessary. Removed.  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
  • The external link could have a bullet point in front of it.
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 17:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
• The Rambling Man (talk) 16:37, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from -- K. Annoyomous24

• Comments
  • Shouldn't this article be just about the managers?
    • Could be, I expanded this article from the base lists, which were both included when I started building it.
  • "The duties of the team manager include team strategy and leadership on and off the field." I think you should erase this sentence as it needs reference and there's already a wikilink for that.
    • This is copied directly from the Wikipedia article and was added in reference to an earlier FLC request. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
  • For most of the references, you wrote Baseball Reference instead of Baseball-Reference.com.
    • Baseball Reference is the official name of the organization; therefore, they are the publisher. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
  • "they managed the team while still playing for it" should be "they managed the team while still being registered to play for the team".
    • That doesn't make any sense to me, there's no registration about it. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
      • How about "they managed the team while still being signed to play for the team"? -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.} 18:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
        •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
  • "In contrast, the general manager controls player transactions, hiring and firing of the coaching staff, and negotiates with players and agents regarding contracts." There should be a reference for this.
    • This is copied directly from the Wikipedia article and was added in reference to an earlier FLC request. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
  • "After this time, he served as a team executive until 2003, and was inducted into the Philadelphia Baseball Wall of Fame in recognition of his services." Needs reference.
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
  • "The manager" should be "The Phillies manager" because of a new paragraph.
    • Redundant, see the close of the sentence. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
  • I rather have you use this reference than Baseball-Reference.com because of the conflict I had on this FLC.
    • Per FA and FL guidelines and WP:N, independent sources are preferred and in fact required. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
      • But can you at least put on that reference since it is the "offical reference". -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.} 18:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
        • I added it to General references
          • Sorry for mentioning this but if you go all the way down on the reference I gave you, you'll see that the second manager (sorry, forgot his name) had a tie. You should compare the two general references because there WILL be some differences. -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.} 18:56, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
            • No big thing.  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
              • I think this reference could help you with the playoff stats. -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.} 19:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
                • My playoff statistics already match that page, so no updates are needed. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
  • Bold the top 5 abbreviations on the key as it is bolded on the table.
    • See previous FLC. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
  • "by inaugural season manager Blondie Purcell..." should be "by the second inaugural season manager Blondie Purcell..."
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
  • There were no general managers from 1883 to 1944?
    • That's correct. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
  • This article should be split into List of Philadelphia Phillies managers and List of Philadelphia Phillies general managers.
    • See above.
  • Delete the "External Links" as it has nothing to do with the article.
    • See previous FLC. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
  • Add the category, [[Category:Major League Baseball lists]]
    •  Done KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!

-- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.} 18:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• Support -- K. Annoyomous24 _{GO LAKERS! Please reply on my talk page. Thanks.} 02:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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