Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Olympic medalists in ice hockey

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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 23:40, 28 February 2009 [1].

List of Olympic medalists in ice hockey

Nominator(s): Scorpion ⁰⁴²² and Maxim_(talk)

Featured list removal candidates/List of Olympic medalists in ice hockey/archive1

This is one I got together fairly quickly and I hope this is the final piece of a potential Triple Gold Club FT. The table format is new, some alternate formats are here (A is the original). My reason for the switch was that a lot of people who visit the page are likely more interested in what team won the year rather than who the individual members were. As it was, it was difficult to browse through and pick out winners, so I thought the collapsible tables would help. That way, anyone who wants to know who the members of a team were can easily find it. It does have it's downsides though, one has to open each collapsed header manually and ctrl-F is not useable. Either way, this is a WikiCup entry and all concerns are welcome and will be addressed by me or Maxim. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 01:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs) - I note a bit of rushing ;)

From 1920 to 1968, the Olympics also acted as the Ice Hockey World Championships and the two events occurred concurrently. -- Comma before and and I guess a link to the '68 event.
In 1987, the International Olympic Committee (IOC) decided to allow professional athletes to compete in the Olympics and in starting in 1998, the NHL allowed its players to participate. -- (1)Comma before and (2)Remove the in before starting
The Soviet Union began competing at the Olympics in 1956 and nine straight Olympic medals, including seven gold. -- Add won before nine
The Soviet Union broke up in 1991 and in 1992 a Unified Team composed mainly of former Soviet players won gold. -- Comma before and and after 1992.
Teams from Canada have won the most medals over, with 16, including nine gold. -- I don't believe the over is needed, no?

Athlete medal leaders

Is there a specific order in which the nations are in? It seems a bit awkward to have this column sortable since there are more than one entry listed in some.--TRU CO 02:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All fixed. Maxim_(talk) 02:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is going to be a race to see who can address concerns first, isn't it? -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 02:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What about my last point/question?--TRU CO 02:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The table is sorted by total medals (in ties, it's ordered by whoever has the most gold). As for sortability, it has been removed. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 02:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cool.--TRU CO 03:04, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Problems resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--TRU CO 03:04, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can't really see the Show tags with IE, they mostly overlap the (CAN) part of the country name. I like the idea in principle though. CloudQuest (talk) 02:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Which version do you have? It might be that your browser isn't wide enough. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - IE 7, screen resolution is 800x600 CloudQuest (talk) 02:55, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Yes, that's the problem. The table is 825 px wide. I've tried narrowing it, is it better? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - No, that didn't help. I think you need to either widen the columns (and thus the whole table) or remove the flag icons and abbreviations. I think it would be preferable to make someone like me scroll sideways to see the final column rather than making the show tags illegible as they are for me now. CloudQuest (talk) 03:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC) The table looks great at screen width 1024, I need a new monitor :) CloudQuest (talk) 03:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Just for clarification, do you think the table should be made wider than it was originally? -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 03:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Yes. CloudQuest (talk) 03:26, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Okay, each column is now 250px and the entire think should be roughly 875px. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 03:30, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        Sorry, it's still very messy but I've got to go offline now. I'll try to stop by again, but don't take this as an oppose. CloudQuest (talk) 03:44, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update I have switched back to the previous version of the table. There were still objections at the Olympics WikiProject, and as Andrwsc pointed out, it's meant to be a list of the individual medalists and a companion to the Ice hockey at the Olympic Games article. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 18:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Andrwsc

The "Medals per year" table seems like an obtuse kind of summary for a team sport. Is it really needed? The main article has a better summary in its "Participating nations" section, where instead of "1" or "—" in each table cell (or "2" since the introduction of the women's tournament) it shows a final placement, with gold/silver/bronze colouring for the medalists. I don't see a need to repeat this data in a different form. (But the "Athlete medal leaders" section on this list is great; good work in compiling that!) — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:09, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved discussion about 1920 Czech roster

Ok, Scorpion0422, since you've taken the task of promoting this, you get a difficult task! We have long had an apparent discrepancy for the 1920 Czech bronze medal team. The IOC database shows 8 players, including Adolf Dusek. The sports-reference.com site also has 8 players, but shows Karel Wälzer instead of Dusek. The website of the Czech NOC lists the following 10 players: Karel Wälzer, Jan Peka, Jan Arnold Palouš, Otakar Vindyš, Karel Hartmann, Josef Šroubek, Karel Pešek-Káďa, Vilém Loos, Josef Loos, Karel Kotrba. Databaseolympics.com (not a source you cite) shows 10 players, with Karel Kotrbá and Josef Loos as the two additional players. The Czech Wikipedia page also shows those 10 players. You task is to resolve this situation for the FL. Good luck! — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 21:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I did some checking in the New York Times archives (since that's one of the new newspapers with free online archives that go back that far) and I was able to find an article about the US beating the Czechs, but no mention of a roster. Google News and Newsbank have also been unhelpful. Here is a summary of my findings so far:

Player	Czech NOC	ABC	S-R	IOC	D-O	Italian NOC	SI/CNN	ESPN
Karel Hartmann	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Vilém Loos	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Jan Palouš	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Jan Peka	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Karel Pešek	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Josef Šroubek	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Otakar Vindyš	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Karel Wälzer	Yes	Yes	Yes	No	Yes	Yes	Yes	Yes
Josef Loos	Yes	Yes	No	No	Yes	No	No	Yes
Karel Kotrba	Yes	Yes	No	No	Yes	No	No	Yes
Adolf Dusek	No	No	No	Yes	No	Yes	Yes	No

Still looking though. The solution may be to go with the Czech NOC and add a note about what the IOC says. They are the two most official sources, so what they say matters more than the secondary sources. -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 23:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good work so far! I've added ESPN. The other thought that occured to me would be to ask a question at the S-R website (feedback page), as the Olympics section is maintained by members of the International Society of Olympic Historians and they might be able to explain the discrepancies. I also found one of their journal articles that shows per-game roster information, and their 8 players match the 8 listed on the S-R website.

Hansen, Kenth (May 1996). "The Birth of Swedish Ice Hockey - Antwerp 1920" (PDF). Citius, Altius, Fortius. 4 (2). International Society of Olympic Historians: 5–27.

Hope this helps — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 23:59, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some more checking and nothing new. I think the best solution would be to go along with the IOC and add the following note:

These eight players are listed in the IOC database. However, the members of the team vary by source. The Czech Republic NOC listing includes Karel Wälzer, Josef Loos and Karel Kotrba and removes Adolf Dusek.

What do you think? -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 17:58, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I would also include the ISOH journal article as a reference, as it is clearly a "scholarly work" and is itself very well referenced. ISOH has uncovered multiple errors in the IOC database, and we've referenced their work on lots of other articles. We might also want to double-check Canada and Sweden for 1920 against those references... — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 18:41, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked the roster for Canada and the US of A against all of the above refs and they all check out. (A few days, ago I did a quick sweep of the entire list and everyone listed is either in the IOC database, Sports-reference or DatabaseOlympics, I did pick out a few small errors). -- Scorpion ⁰⁴²² 19:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:57, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

You have a whole lot of redirects because of misspelled names (missing letters or accents). Instead of me pinpointing them all, insert User:Splarka/dabfinder.js into your monobook.js and use the redirect finder to fix them all.
"Teams from Canada have won the most medals ~~ever~~, with 16, including nine gold." Comparable quantities (16, nine) should be written the same.
"have been awarded and have been won by teams from 13 National Olympic Committees."-->have been awarded to teams from 13 National Olympic Committees. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed prose stuff. I can't get the script to work though. Does it take some time for it to highlight the redirects? Maxim_(talk) 15:31, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There should be two functions on the sidebar. The first should say "Find disambiguations" and the one below says "Find redirects". Don't forget to bypass your cache. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:18, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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