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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 11:45, 8 April 2012 [1].

List of Olympic medalists in art competitions

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Nominator(s): Canadian Paul 19:07, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because, after working on it for the past several days and carefully reviewing the Featured List criteria, I believe that it meets the standards. This is my first time working at FLC but I based this article off the examples set by other "List of Olympic medalists in..." Featured Lists, with of course some necessary adaptations since this is a rather unique event in terms of modern Olympic history. Canadian Paul 19:07, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 23:56, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments - Interesting list wasn't even aware art competitions were in the olympics, so this has been an enlightening read.
  • Bold links are not encouraged per MOS:BOLD so I would remove the bold from the link.
  • You use International Olympic Committee and later use IOC, yet you have indicated that IOC is the acronym for the committee so add (IOC) after its used in the first sentence.
  • First sentence needs a reference as that statement could be challenged.
  • "They were originally planned for inclusion in the 1908 Summer Olympics but were delayed after that edition's shift in venue from Rome to London" that edition is redundant as you've already clarified what olympics is being referred to, and replace shift with change, so it reads "after a change in venue..."
  • "By 1924..." I take it your referring to that year's games? It's not explicit so I would link to the article so it is, thus the sentence would read "By the 1924 Summer Olympics..."
  • "subcategories" "subdivisions" which one is it? be consistent with which one you choose
  • " which was eventually rejected"
  • MOS:NUM recommend that numbers lower than smaller be spelled out as opposed to a digit.
  • Tables need to comply with WP:ACCESS, see MOS:DTT for more info on this.
  • Images could do with alt text.
  • Not sure you need the key for the medals by year table, as the first symbol is not in use and the second is self-explanatory.
  • In the same table, I would link the whole year e.g. 1936 instead of 36 to avoid any confusion as to what the column headers mean.
  • change style="background:gold to "style="background-color: gold to ensure the sort key is visible, do the same for the silver and bronze columns as well.
  • Also the 36 column does not sort correctly.
  • Refs that are PDFs need the parameter |format=PDF adding.
  • Hyphnens in the page ranges need to be dashes per WP:DASH.
  • The header of the general section needs altering so its is a subsection of the references section.

NapHit (talk) 23:34, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! I had a few minutes to spare so I (hopefully) took care of a handful of these: the first seven (except the reference) and the last three. I will work on the rest tomorrow, when I have more time, but I have two questions: 1) The reference for the first sentence is the same for the quote in the second sentence; should I repeat it? 2) I typed in – as my preferred method of creating the en dash, since it makes it obvious what is meant to be there. I have also seen, however, people replacing – with an inserted dash. Is this preferable, or does it matter? Thanks again! Canadian Paul 01:17, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No need to repeat the reference it's fine where it is. Personally I use the inserted dash, as I think (not totally sure) that dash is being phased out, it's certainly quicker using the inserted dash so I would recommend using that one. NapHit (talk) 10:29, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think that I have addressed all of these concerns. I'm not certain why the 1936 column wasn't sorting correctly, when the "totals" one was, so I cheated a bit to fix the issue. For the alternative text, I'm not sure if the "...of XXX" part was redundant or not considering that most captions directly identify the subject, so I can take it out in the unambiguous cases (to leave it with just "Photograph") if necessary. Finally, I left out the "caption" option from MOS:DTT because it doesn't seem to be used in the other "List of Olympic medalists in..." FLs, but I can certainly insert it if the standards have been updated.Canadian Paul 00:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nearly there, you need to remove the | that are before the ! when using scope=row. I've done the first table as an example anyway. Perosnally I would add the captions, as they are encouraged per MOS:DTT. You also need to change the colour coding per the instructions above for the medalist tables as they are sortable. Other than these issues the list is looking very good indeed. NapHit (talk) 23:28, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I believe that I have addressed these as well. My only problem was that, for the two tables that had multiple medalists of the same colour in the same year (mixed literature and mixed sculpturing), I couldn't get rid of the pipes in the sub-rows or else the style would bleed into those cells. Is there any way around this? Canadian Paul 16:36, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 20:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • "art competitions were removed from the Olympic program. Planners of the 1952 Summer Olympics opposed its inclusion on logistical grounds". "its" → "their". The "competitions" are a plural, after all.
  • Which pseudonym did Coubertin win his gold with? That would be a nice piece of information to have in the lead.
  • Comma needed after Alfred Hajos in the lead.
  • In the tables, the names should sort by last name, not first.
  • In the second general reference and cites 1, 10, 16–22, and 24, the pp. in the citation should be p. since they are only for a single page, not multiple pages. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    I appreciate the comments and believe that I have addressed them all! The only thing that I'm not certain about is what the best way to sort the "none awarded" entries would be. My guess would be that I should sort them as "zzz" or something that will put them at the bottom of the list when sorted alphabetically, but I thought I'd ask before I made the edits. Canadian Paul 19:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Having them sort at the bottom seems like a good idea to me. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:17, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed the sorting and changed the photo caption, but it still feels a bit awkward/inaccurate to me. I'm not sure there's a good way to make it accurate and flowing while still keeping it concise, so perhaps it would be better to leave out the "under a pseudonym" part entirely and the reader can learn about the pseudonym through the article itself? Or is it too misleading to leave it as "IOC founder PdC won..." etc.?Canadian Paul 16:16, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with comments - the image captions need to lose the periods if they're not complete sentences, which right now are only the lead, Alfréd Hajós, and Walter W. Winans images. You should also consider archiving the online (non-pdf) references with webcitation.org or web.archive.org and the archiveurl/archivedate= parameters - if those websites ever go down, you could lose all your references. Interesting list; I never knew about the art competitions, and given that you can easily see a bias towards to hosting country's artists I can see why it needed to be dropped. --PresN 19:53, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments (e/c with PresN)
  • Would make cols the same width from section to section.
  • First para of the lead "Their.. they ... they..." could probably use just one more reinforcement of the subject matter explicitly.
  • " the Games since 1928. Since 1952 an" since... since... repetitive.
  • "Coubertin's is listed" should that be "de Coubertin's is listed"? (etc)
  • "Jan Wils, 1928 gold medalist in architectural designs." image captions that aren't complete sentences should not use a full stop. Check 'em all.
  • "1936-1948" should be an en-dash.
  • "1928, 1932, 1936" why isn't that 1928–1936?
  • Some refs have access dates, some don't. Be consistent.
  • Some refs end in a full stop, some don't, be consistent. Check throughout.
  • Ref 15 looks like a referenced footnote, not a reference.
  • Ref 16 etc, double full stops... check throughout.

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:56, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! I've addressed some of these concerns, but I also have a few questions:

Other than archiving the URLs, which I will look into tomorrow, I believe that I have addressed all of the other concerns. Canadian Paul 19:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've archived all the non-PDF references with webcitation! Canadian Paul 18:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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