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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 21:15, 23 March 2011 [1].

List of Oakland Athletics managers

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Nominator(s): Rlendog (talk) 21:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets the featured list criteria, similar to other baseball manager featured lists. Rlendog (talk) 21:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Cheetah (talk)
  • Comments
    • In the first sentence: Do we really need "..., USA"?
    • The second sentence reference only states that the team used to be in Philly, but not in Kansas City. The retrieval date should be updated, as well. 2009 screams "outdated".
    • "...West Division" → "...West division"
    • Why do we need to know who the current general manager is?
    • The "Five Athletics managers..." sentence should be more specific and state that three of them were inducted as a player and not as a manager.
    • Is Connie Mack inducted into HoF as a manager or as an executive or both? Same with Williams.
    • In the first table the "#" column doesn't sort correctly. The managers with "—" are placed incorrectly.
    • In the second table the "#" column should be sorted to get back to initial position after sorting other columns.
    • Current ref #14 is a pdf file and should be noted as such.

--Cheetah (talk) 03:34, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you for your comments. I believe I addressed most of your comments except possibly the last one. I replaced the ref with another pdf, but either way I see (and saw) the pdf icon. So I am not sure what was (or still is) missing. Rlendog (talk) 16:19, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
PDF part is fixed now. So, who was inducted into HoF as an executive?--Cheetah (talk) 07:00, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you are getting at. I removed the reference to "executive" in the key. Rlendog (talk) 15:44, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:21, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Perhaps add "before moving to Oakland" in the lead otherwise there's an odd thing where you talk about them up to 1967 but don't say where they went...
  • "Since starting to play in 1901..." perhaps "Since the inception of the team in 1901, ..."?
  • "and no World Series was played in 1902" is this specifically relevant to the A's?
  • Our article on Dykes has him as Jimmy, not Jimmie.
  • "The current Athletics manager" vs " as the Athletics' manager" vs "the Athletics records" vs "as the Athletics manager" (which appears many, many times) apostrophe inconsistency?
  • LaRussa -> La Russa (according to our article).
  • "three consecutive American League championships" - you've previously abbreviated American League to AL, so why not use the abbreviation?
  • Ref -> Ref(s) (sometimes there are multiple refs)
  • Ref 4, spare period (down to the template I guess).
  • Ref 14 could use a format=PDF parameter.
  • Ref 21 needs an en-dash, not a spaced hyphen, in the title.
  • Same for all other Retrosheet references.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:27, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you for your comments. I believe I have addressed them, except the ref 4 (now ref 5) item which is a function of the reference template. I also addressed the 2nd comment a little differently, since the fact that they started playing in 1901 is effectively mentioned earlier. Rlendog (talk) 03:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's counter-intuitive, but in this case, you actually need to remove the . from "Norton & Co." in the template, it's the only way to kill the ".." problem. One of those rare cases where what looks wrong in the edit window actually produces what you want in the rendered page. (PS< already did it, to make sure it worked!) Courcelles 04:31, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

  • Key: Very minor point, but I don't think "League Championships" or the "Championships" after World Series should be capitalized, as they aren't really proper nouns.
  • Another minor thing, but reference 37 has a hyphen in the title, while the other Retrosheet cites have em dashes. Shouldn't 37 get a dash as well? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:26, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Courcelles 00:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments
"Mack led the Athletics to nine AL championships and five World Series championships in 1910, 1911, 1913, 1929 and 1930" This sentence needs a different connector, perhaps an emdash. As it stands, it literally implies he won five World Series in 1910, in 1911, again in 1913, and so on.
Check your ref label templates; capitalization matters in these, or they won't work. (Earle Mack's first line is wrong, check all.)
Should be using the scope row and scope col arguments in the main table.
† should be the newfangled {{dagger}}.
Be consistent, it's either Tony La Russa or Tony LaRussa, but not both.
"Connie Mack holds the Athletics' records for most games managed, 7,466, most wins as a manager, 3,582, and most losses as a manager, 3,814" The separator after each number would be better as a semicolon.

Courcelles 11:10, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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