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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 08:42, 6 July 2008 [1].

List of Nine Inch Nails live-band members

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Another NIN-related list I've whipped up recently. Though I've seen a few "list of X members" lists comes through these hollowed halls, I hope to raise the bar a little higher. As always, any comments and suggestions are welcome and appreciated. Thanks! Drewcifer (talk) 05:18, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

comment use en dashes for years per WP:DASH for example make 1994–2000 to 1994–2000 --Gman124 (talk) 05:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They are en dashes already; converting them to unicode is not necessary. Gary King (talk) 05:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Gary King (talk) 05:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "though Reznor" → "although Reznor"
  • "of Nin Inch Nails in-studio," → "of Nine Inch Nails in-studio,"
  • I don't think "Nine Inch Nails live performances" needs to be in See Also when it's already linked in the lead.

Gary King (talk) 05:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments in 6 minutes! Impressive! Fixed the first two. And I'm not sure I agree with the last one (in related news I just did the same thing in List of Nine Inch Nails tours, at which FLC you said a similar thing. Just didn't want it to seem like I was doing it behind your back or anything.) I've found that those three articles are very closely related (sister-articles I suppose), and one link buried in the lead isn't sufficient enough to link them all together. For example while making this list, I wanted to refer back to the tours list once and a while. And I wanted to click my way there, rather than type it out. Numerous times I found myself unable to find the link in the lead, even though I had wrote it. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but I think it just adds a bit of much needed convenience to a series of closely-related articles. Phew, that was long-winded. Drewcifer (talk) 05:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Er, okay then :| I actually think the best place for the kind of thing you are describing is a footer template. Also, since I responded to quickly, perhaps you can review my recently submitted list? :) Gary King (talk) 05:31, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A-hah! There's always a catch. No problem, I'll take a look. And yea, the footer template is good for that, but I think these 3 articles in particular are so inseparable that it's best to emphasize it a bit. Drewcifer (talk) 05:37, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Gary King (talk) 05:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

37 minutes! You're awesome! Drewcifer (talk) 05:56, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Could you wikilink "Live: With Teeth" to the section on the recently promoted list (sorry, I can't remember it's name)
    Really? I mean, I'm not totally against it, but that would mean I'd have to link every tour (not just the With Teeth one). And they'd all lead back to the same exact article, just subsections of it. I'm not sure if that would really accomplish anything.
  • "In 1994 Robin Finck replaced Richard Patrick, the live band's original guitarist, for the Self-Destruct tour" Passive voice here. "Robin Finck replaced Richard Patrick, the live band's original guitarist, for the Self-Destruct tour in 1994". Perhaps. I'm not excellent with these myself.
    Fixed.
  • "In 2008, it was announced that Finck would rejoin Nine Inch Nails for the Lights in the Sky tour." is passive, too
    Fixed.
  • Where they've played more than one instrument, remove the parentheses from "Instrument(s):"
    I feel like it should be consistent throughout the article, not based on how many instruments they played. That said, it's not consistent, I just realized. Which do you think is more appropriate? Drewcifer (talk) 06:55, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I took out all the parentheses. But now that you mention it, technically speaking, some members played multiple version of the same instrument. What I mean by that is that playing "keyboard" for NIN doesn't mean you've got one dinky little keyboard. It means you've got an array of Keyboards and samplers and other crap all around you. The same applies for drums, and (to a lesser extent) bass and guitar. Maybe I'm just splitting hairs, but I think it's cool as it is personally. Drewcifer (talk) 07:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very good and informative otherwise. I'm getting tired though, so I'll take a second look tomorrow. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 06:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Late (as is usual for me!) but here's a few more.

  • I'd prefer the two galleries at the beginning of each section rather than the end, especially the current members. I don't think this violates WP:PIC#Photo gallery in any way, but it is just a personal preference.
I don't think it violates any policies either, but I don't think this would be an improvement. The images are really just there as an added bonus, the stuff in the text is the bulk of the list. Putting the pictures before would, I believe, give them undue weight in relation to the text.
  • The second gallery is formatted funny, as there are 4 pics on one row, and 1 pic on a second row. Can they all be put onto the same row?

Other than that, it's almost ready I think. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 07:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's just a stroke of luck that exactly five pictures are available. I'm working on getting more, which would beef things up a bit, but we'll see how that goes. As far as I know, it's not possible to squeeze 5 into a single row, so I don't see any solution. Drewcifer (talk) 10:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whaddya know, it is actually possible. Now all 5 images are in the same row. Cool? Drewcifer (talk) 08:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Why not have each pic beside the band member itself? If the infobox creates problems while adding Reznor's pic, I think the members list can be removed from the infobox (since the whole article is about it anyway). indopug (talk) 19:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I avoided putting the images within the text because most of the images are vertically larger than the space allotted to each member by the amount of text. So the images would end up stacking poorly against each other. That, and I'm doing my best to find some more free-images of the others, so assuming I'm eventually successful in doing that, the vertical-space thing would be exacerbated even further. So I wanted to give the list room to grow, basically. Drewcifer (talk) 00:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—Bit under-reference in the lead. Quite good otherwise. TONY (talk) 08:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • I added a couple, but I think that's as good as it's gonna get. Mainly because the lead summarizes the list, and so is therefore somewhat listy itself. No one source covers the entire live-band's history, so I can't really source some parts of the lead without giving a huge amount of sources. Besides, the sources are in the list proper, so I don't want to repeat myself either. Drewcifer (talk) 08:44, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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