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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 10:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of New Mexico hurricanes

Featured list candidates/List of New Mexico hurricanes/archive1

Nominator(s): Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) and Hurricanehink (talk · contribs)

I am nominating this for featured list because I think this list is very well-done. Twelve months and 25 days ago, my friend Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) wrote a comprehensive list on storms that affect a place when you think hurricane will not go, New Mexico. Shortly after its publication, the author told me on IRC that he was impressed with how much info he found (who IIRC thought about making this article as early as Fall 2011) and thus pressured me into making List of Nevada hurricanes. In April of last year, he offered me a collab of this fine list, which due to lack of interest I declined. Earlier this year, he made a similar proposal of such nomination, of which we nearly got to FLC. However, I got a bit busy in early February and the whole project died of until tonight when it occurred to me I never sent this list to FLC. So, here goes nothing, and yes Hurricanehink is co-noming and yes this is a WP:CUP nomination. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 03:49, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yerp. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from --Tomcat (7) 16:18, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

*Comments

"The List of New Mexico hurricanes" – List -> list
"while only 13 such North Atlantic tropical cyclones are known to have affected the state. " - probably "with only 13 North Atlantic tropical cyclones known to have affected the state"
I have not fully exhamined the list, but at first glance the prose appears to be ok. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 13:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- All fixed. Thanks for the review of the lead. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 13:53, 8 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support as well.--Tomcat (7) 16:18, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

*Comments from Crisco 1492

Why are you using the simple past tense here? This is not a finalised list, at least not until winds stop blowing or New Mexico is no longer a state... there can still be more.
- I changed to "there are 65 known." --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:41, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'd go present perfect with the first few sentences. "The list of New Mexico hurricanes includes 78 tropical cyclones and their remnants that have affected the inland U.S. state of New Mexico. There have been 65 known tropical cyclones...", for example, as this list is going to be expanded as new storms develop. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:48, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Cool, I like it. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:49, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Canton - Link?
- Added. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane
Other deadly rainfall events from tropical cyclone remnants include Hurricane Dolly in 2008, after which flooding swept away a person along the Rio Ruidoso. - Events? I only see one.
- Added a second. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 16:05, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your change seems to have attributed the death not to Dolly as in the original edit, but to Georgette. Which is correct?

Revised. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 16:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The term "were" is certainly incorrect, as the area that is now New Mexico almost certainly was struck by hurricanes or hurricane remnants for which no documentation exists.
in the extreme western portion to less than 5% in the eastern portion. - Why not just "west... east"?
- Done. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 16:05, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - You've still got the repetitive construct "portion ... portion" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:30, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Fixed. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 16:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~Perhaps note why you've given the division as it is now, and that storm naming only began in the 1970s?~~ — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:26, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see anything odd about the division, and the storm naming began in 1960, not in the 1970s. YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 16:05, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - My mistake for the second part. I didn't say anything was wrong with the division, just that it is unclear why you've got all the pre-1970 storms together. A statement as to why would help our readers understand the list better. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:19, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - There was no real reason I did that, aside from there not being many storms in the 60s. It could just as easily have 60s split or adding the 70s to the other section. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:23, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support on prose. Looks fairly solid, easy enough to follow. You might catch flack from not using a table, but I don't think that list = table. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:38, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, thanks! And it follows the format of other articles (like List of Texas hurricanes (1980–present)). --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:26, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — all NCDC links are broken. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 03:20, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- What do you think is the best way of sorting them. Replacing the url and switching the template? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 21:53, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I can't find a replacement url for pre-2000. What should I do? Keep doing what I did for 1996 and 1998? YE ^Pacific ^Hurricane 16:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Nah, that didn't work. You gotta replace it with the accompanying monthly report - http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/IPS/sd/sd.html --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - Okay, I got confused for a sec, I can't do it in school though, so I will worry about it later today. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 16:21, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        This appears to be fixed now. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 23:32, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a good reason not to put the bullets into a sortable table with 3 columns (date, name, notes)? Nergaal (talk) 19:35, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it works best just as prose, considering how long the descriptions are for some storms. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:52, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- What you could do, if you wanted a table, is do something similar to what I did for List of Arizona hurricanes#Storms. I would not encourage changing the existing list/prose into a table. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 20:00, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 13:57, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

No benefit in turning this into a table.
"The list of New Mexico hurricanes includes" not a nice start, would prefer to not have to say "the list of" in the lead to a list. Could be as simple as starting: "Seventy-eight tropical cyclones and their remnants have affected the inland U.S. state of New Mexico since .... "

Good call. I'm not a fan of starting with a number, so I started with "The inland U.S. state of New Mexico has experienced the impacts of..." Is that acceptable? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:06, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On that note, do we have an idea of "when records began", that's not usually stated in these articles but it's useful information.
- Well, the record goes back to 1949, but there are some storms here before that date. I didn't want to say since any particular time period (there was one storm even before NM statehood). Is that ok? --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:06, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hmm, an interesting issue, because quite obviously there would have been hurricanes hit New Mexico before the 20th century, just not recorded.... I know this should have been noted before, but perhaps we need a footnote or something? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:16, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - The EPAC storm track was diffrent 10,000 years ago, and a lot EPAC storms ended up affecting the Western US and BCP as much as the Philpenns gets hit by typhoons. NM is part of the Western US, So, therefore an exact state would be very incorrect. I added the 78 knwon storms affected that state. Is that fine for you? Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 21:53, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
" ft3/s " this looks odd to me, if you're not keen on using superscript, then you probably should say "cubic feet per second".
- Will do. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:06, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ensure all refs meet WP:DASH (e.g. the title of ref 23).
- Would you mind if I ask how best to comply? I read WP:DASH, but I don't see exactly how would that apply to ref 23. Unless, you mean that it should be a simple -, instead of an endash? Or should it actually be – between the dates? Sorry :/ --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:06, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - No apologies required, I meant the last, numerical ranges like year or date ranges should use an en-dash, not a hyphen. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:16, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thanks, that should be settled :) --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:27, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - Did a few ref fixes that were missed. Juliancolton (talk) 01:36, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 14:53, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comment – Minor point, but ref 6 should be showing up as pp. instead of p. since the citation is to multiple pages. Giants2008 (Talk) 14:05, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed, thanks for bringing that up. Y E ^Pacific ^Hurricane 16:00, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support - no issues found worth mentioning (some redirects that are benign). Consider archiving your online references via web.archive.org or webcitation.org, so that any future changes or removals of content at those websites do not affect your citations here. --Pres N 18:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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