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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 23:06, 3 March 2010 [1].

List of New Jersey Devils seasons

Nominator(s): Anthony Hit me up... 03:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Featured list candidates/List of New Jersey Devils seasons/archive1

The list is fully cited, and matches the standard of List of Calgary Flames seasons, List of New York Islanders seasons, and List of New York Rangers seasons. Anthony Hit me up... 03:36, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Image needs alt text, and the highlighting for the team achievements needs symbols in addition to shading - follow the example of List of New York Rangers seasons, though I don't think the dagger that denotes SC champions needs to be used three times per row. (And yes, I'm aware that the Flames list needs to be updated in this fashion as well - standards have since changed, alas). Reso lute 04:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Well I updated the page to match the Rangers standard, including the 3x dagger... easy to change if need be. Everything else is fixed accordingly. Anthony Hit me up... 16:00, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Support, my issues fixed, article looks good. Reso lute 00:10, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Nomader

The first sentence lists "Newark, New Jersey, United States"-- only one of the three example lists you used, the Calgary Flames list, uses the country (because it's outside of the US), and it seems to be a bit extraneous to list United States here.
None of the notes work properly in the graph, probably a coding problem.
I think the dagger's a little bit overused... I don't think the NHL season won the Stanley Cup. I think the left-most column should be clear of any coloring or symbols.

Well done, the list looks good; I only glanced over the lead so someone should probably do a more thorough run-through. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 07:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Fixed as per comments. Anthony Hit me up... 13:59, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support: my concerns have been properly addressed and I see no glaring issues with the list. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 07:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Make the lead image bigger if the resolution supports it - you can go up to 300px I seem to recall.
- Fixed
Use en-dash for year ranges, so not 2009-10, but 2009–10 instead.
- Fixed
"they were known as the Colorado Rockies since 1976" perhaps "they had been known as..."
- Fixed
"regular season" or "regular-season" -be consistent.
- Fixed
Why are Quarterfinals, Semifinals capitalised?
- Because that's how they're identified during the playoffs...just doing what the league does.
  - Doesn't make it correct necessarily. I'd be interested to see if other editors think these regular nouns should be capitalised. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Check hyphens in 90/91 and 91/92... There are plenty of others too... 2000/01 for instance.
- Fixed
Alltime record is normally a final row in the main table rather than a slightly odd table on its own.
- According to the Rangers FL, it's a separate table... I think it looks odd on its own, but I'm following precedent.
  - There are dozens of FLs which have a totals row. You're following one particular precedent, and, for what it's worth, times, they are a-changing, standards change, and previous FLs may not be an ideal guide to the future...... The Rambling Man (talk) 22:32, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - OK, part of the table and no longer a separate table. Anthony Hit me up... 00:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
2nd gen ref needs an en-dash.
- Fixed

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hope that answers the issues. Anthony Hit me up... 22:24, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Check hyphens in 90/91 and 91/92... There are plenty of others too... 2000/01 for instance.
- Fixed
  - Not quite... check the last col. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - OK, now they're all done... I hate en-dashes. Anthony Hit me up... 02:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - In the future, you may want to consider using User:GregU/dashes.js. It fixes most dash problems. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 03:18, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it's not a gen ref, it's a specific ref (24) - one or the other.
- It's a gen ref, but those 2 specific refs are to pages where the info can be found, ergo specific refs.
  - Okay, well at least get the titles the same! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Titles match. Anthony Hit me up... 02:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why isn't the The of The New York Times part of the link?
- Fixed
  - I thought it was The New York Times? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:04, 15 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Italicized. Anthony Hit me up... 02:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:05, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments (from the editor who got the Rangers seasons list to FL) –

"The 2009–10 season is the 27th season of play, and 28th year of play in New Jersey." Don't understand this sentence. Why would the year be different than the season? If it's based on number of years the team has played there, wouldn't it be 29 (1982–2010)?
- Fixed. Anthony Hit me up... 16:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In the last sentence of the first paragraph, why would totals from other cities be included, when they aren't in the list itself?
- Based on Calgary's FLC, where the lead includes totals from Atlanta. It's a one-off reference because the franchise didn't start in NJ, so we mention what happened before. We can't ignore it. Anthony Hit me up... 16:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
2008–09 row is missing playof statistics.
- Fixed. Anthony Hit me up... 16:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In the alt text, proper names (like Bush's) generally should not be used, since it's impossible to verify them by merely looking at the image in question.
- Done. Anthony Hit me up... 16:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Remove the bolding from the totals, which is one of the elements of the Rangers list that I should tweak one of these days, in addition to the triple daggers. (Incidentally, I used a seperate table because of a comment at a previous FLC, and I personally find that method more appealing than chunking stats together at the bottom of a larger table, not to mention that it would likely make the Rangers table too wide. Won't hold it against this list, though) Giants2008 (27 and counting) 16:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm keeping the bolding at the bottom for asthetic purposes, and it looks better at the bottom of the table instead of having to go to a separate table for the same information. Personally I disagree with the way the Rangers did it, but that's my opinion, and at least one other editor here agrees with me on that issue. Anthony Hit me up... 16:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Took a peek at MOS:BOLD, which says bolding for table headers is okay. I assume footers can be treated similarly. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:05, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:05, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Cheetah (talk)

Comments The list looks good, but there are a few nitpicks.
- I think two "howevers" in a row is too many. "The following year, however..." then the next sentence "Since 1997, however...". Surely, you can tweak the wording a little.
  - Fixed. Anthony (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- You have a note explaining why there were 48 games played in the 1994-95 season, yet there are no notes for the two previous seasons where 84 games were played. Also, why there were 80 games played in the first few seasons. I can guess, but I'd like to know for sure.
  - Fixed. Anthony (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Why is there no note on overtime losses? The team receives a point for losing in OT, this page does not mention it. I only found it out by looking at the other FLs.
  - Fixed. Anthony (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Same thing with penalty shootout
  - Fixed. Anthony (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comparing this list with other FLs, I notice that the "All-time regular and postseason record" statistic is missing here. Any reason why?
  - As you'll see above with the discussion with other editors, it was decided that although the Islanders and Rangers use it, the Flames do not, and it flows better as part of the same table (which is my feeling as well). It was originally part of the table, then separated, now it's back to the same table. The Hockey WP will have to come up with a consensus as to where it belongs, but right now we'll keep it with the rest of the standings, as it flows top to bottom. Anthony (talk) 21:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

--Cheetah (talk) 20:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support It's good to know that there were games played at neutral arenas. Good job!--Cheetah (talk) 22:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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