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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was archived by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 23:32, 19 November 2017 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Metra stations

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Nominator(s): Sportsguy17 (T • C) 22:10, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because the last time this article was an FLC, it was archived due to my inactivity. But for now, I am back to make any changes necessary for it to pass. Additionally, I believe I addressed any concerns from the previous FLC, so I'm hoping the second time's a charm. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 22:10, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Riley

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These will be some quick comments.

  • Wouldn't it be better to have the key before the lines?
  • It would and I have made that change.
  • Why is "Northeast Illinois Regional Commuter Railroad Corporation" in bold in the lead?
  • No idea but I unbolded it and instead linked it to the corresponding Wikipedia article.
  • The lead seems a bit long. In addition, you do not specify the inclusion criteria.
  • I'm a bit confused about this one to be perfectly honest.

That is all for now. RileyBugz会話投稿記録 17:36, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@RileyBugz: I have taken care of the first two bulleted items, but I'm a little confused about the third, particularly with regards to the inclusion criteria. Do I need to explicitly state that included on the list are current stations only plus a section for future and former stations, respectively or is it something else? As for cutting down the lede, I don't think the fourth paragraph is necessary, so I'm just going to add to the first paragraph that there are not currently any planned extensions of the system. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 19:09, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It means stating, at the beginning of the lead, what the article is about. It is where you do "This is a list of xyz". RileyBugz会話投稿記録 19:14, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@RileyBugz: I will work on that shortly. I need to flip through similar articles that are Featured Lists to see how to set it up. Thank you for the feedback. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 20:00, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@RileyBugz: I have added a short history section about how the system came into being. I'm going to work on the paragraph more, but it's a start. I have a few questions/comments of my own:

  • In the "Lines" section, is it worth including Weekday Ridership and/or the mileage of each line in the table? I'm tempted to include the former, and neither set of statistics are hard to find, but I will only include them if they will add to the list.
  • Should I add more images? I feel like the list may be a bit lacking in that respect.
  • As for scope/inclusion criteria, see List of MBTA Commuter Rail stations and List of SEPTA Regional Rail stations for examples. They don't state in bold that it is a list of stations because in my opinion, that's not good writing at all. I clarified that the stations on the list are active stations, so if you read the first paragraph it should be pretty obvious what the list is about.

Let me know if there'a anything else I can do for the list. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 15:17, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Freikorp

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  • I'd specify a time frame regarding average weekday ridership being 292,000; as of when was this figure accurate?
  •  Done - Stats have been updated to 2015/2016 depending on what was most recently published.
  • "all are within a short radius of each other" - I'd give some indication as to what "short" is? How big is the radius?
  •  Done
  • Do you think information about the planned Romeoville station should be included in the lead? As there's only one planned station I'm getting the impression new stations aren't added very often so this might be of interest. Up to you.
  •  Done - I added a small bit about it, but nothing too grand because it does deviate from standard practice.

That's all I found. I've never really looked at a list like this before so I'm assuming the way you've provided access to external links in your 'Stations' table is the accepted standard. Freikorp (talk) 02:28, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Freikorp: Though I don't particularly like it, many FLs about train stations do you external links instead of references in part due to the shear number of stations and it's far easier. Once I find the radius number all of your comments will be resolved. All comments have been resolved. Sportsguy17 (T • C) 15:34, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'd actually probably shorten the information about the new station myself. I'd drop "Construction on the new station began in May 2017" and just say when construction is due to be completed. Again, up to you though. Well done. Freikorp (talk) 23:57, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments really quick runthrough...

  • Lead image is too small to be of any utility. Suggest making it 300px or similar.
  •  Done
  •  Done
  • " New York City-area systems" it's just the New York metropolitan area, not New York City.
  •  Done
  • "487.5 total miles " convert to metric please.
  •  Done
  • " Additionally, Metra funds..." this sentence has no reference.
  •  Done
  • Explanations in the key don't need a full stop if they are sentence fragments.
  •  Done
  • Same applies to image captions.
  •  Done
  •  Done
  • Lots of stations in the key piped to redirects.
  •  Doing... - This will take a while because pretty much all of them are redirects.
  • I would expect to see 27th Street to sort before 103rd Street.
  •  Done

The Rambling Man (talk) 07:48, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Harrias talk
  • "of Northeast Illinois Regional Commuter Railroad Corporation (NIRC)" and "operated by the NIRC". Be consistent: either include "the" for both, or neither.
    •  Done
  • "walking, biking, driving" I would find "cycling" preferable to "biking".
    •  Done
  • The Key table needs row and column scope per MOS:DTT.
    •  Doing...
  • As does the main Stations table.
    •  Doing...
  • The Stations table appears to be initially ordered alphabetically, with the numbered streets rising: 18th, 27th, 55th etc. However, if you sort by Station, it orders differently. I feel this needs to be fixed so that the sort order is the same as the initial order.
    •  Doing...
  • I feel Hegewisch station's fare zone could do with a note, given how different it is.
    •  Doing...
  • Make "Info" an unsortable column.
    •  Doing...
  • Ref #5 has "Metra" in italics, while all other do not. Ref #7 has "metrarail.com". Be consistent.
    •  Done
  • Another consistent issue with the date formats in the references; as this is a US article, use MMM DD, YYYY throughout. Much as it pains me.
    •  Done
  • My biggest issue with this list is whether it meets the verifiability criteria. The article is largely based on Metra's own information; eight of the twelve references are Metra, and three of those four are only sourcing the Former stations table. WP:V asks us to "Base articles on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." I'm not sure I'm happy that this list does that at the moment.
    • Not really sure how I can address this beyond trying to replace some Metra sources about its history with maybe newspaper articles (such as about the opening of the North Central Service in 1996). Beyond that I'm not sure how to address that one. Sorry.

Harrias talk 21:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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