Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Kashimashi episodes

List of Kashimashi episodes

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 13 days, five support, zero opposes, one neutral. Promote. Daniel Bryant 04:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First nomination

Okay, so the last time this page was nominated, the problems that came up were all dealt with: the lead was expanded, and it was copyedited. Based on the fact that it satisfies the criterian, I believe this list should become featured.

Support Per nomination. --十八 22:01, 21 April 2007 (UTC) {{spoiler}}[reply]

Support I can support this list. Jay32183 18:02, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, along with a couple of minor comments:-
- "On October 27 2006, an OVA episode was released [...] staff that produced the television series produced the OVA as well. This episode is set four months after the events of the anime series during the Christmas season" — can I suggest that you de-abbreviate the first "OVA" (and therefore link it properly, without a redirect), as to avoid abbreviations which haven't been used prior in the text? That, or add the full link so it reads "OVA"; either would be perfectly acceptable.Y Done
- "This article contains the episode listing for all the animation produced for Kashimashi" — it should probably read "This is a list of episodes for all...", or similar, which is slightly less self-referential; regardless, it isn't an article, but a list, so the second word probably needs changing. Y Done
- "The staff that produced the television series produced the OVA as well" — probably a little too informal, and doesn't seem to flow well in my opinion. Maybe "The staff that produced the television series also produced the OVA" might be better, but this is my interpretation of that sentence, so feel free to ignore this point totally. Y Done
- "The main plot in the anime is the drama that relates from the three female main characters of Hazumu Osaragi, Yasuna Kamiizumi, and Tomari Kurusu, and their romantic struggles in a love triangle" — some linking would go well in this, I reckon - love triangle, romantic, and plot are three, possibly. Y Done (I do not believe plot and romance need linking as they are common terms) --十八 08:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- "during the Christmas season" — possibly as above, for Christmas season; need to remember not everyone celebrates/knows about Christmas. Y Done

Otherwise, a fantastic list. Daniel Bryant 08:39, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose it has screenshots. JuJube 07:11, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Again, there is nothing in the FL criteria that says a list can fail to become a Featured List on the sole basis that the list has screenshots. Your objection has little weight behind it.--十八 07:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment I'm aware of the trifecta of South Park/Avatar/OMG having screenshots and all that. I disagree with them, too. WP:FUC, criteria 3, makes it clear to me that long lists of screenshots are Bad (tm). Numerous anime screenshots have already been deleted (Sailor Moon, Eyeshield 21 and Naruto, for example) and there's no reason for this to be any different. JuJube 07:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment Criteria 3 states: It has images if they are appropriate to the subject, with succinct captions or "alt" text and acceptable copyright status. These images are appropriate as this is an episode list and are helpful in identification of the many episodes. Isn't it at least an acceptable copyright to include them per the fair use rationales the images have been given?--十八 07:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - Comment Actually, it says "The amount of copyrighted work used should be as little as possible. Low-resolution images should be used instead of high-resolution images (especially images that are so high-resolution that they could be used for piracy). This includes the original in the Image: namespace. Do not use multiple images or media clips if one will serve the purpose adequately." I'm of the opinion that more than four screenshots in an article is too much. JuJube 07:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        Comment Hold on a second; shouldn't that line taken from WP:FUC be more appropraite for articles instead of lists. Is this not why we have a separate process and separate criteria for Featured Articles and Featured Lists? Besides, all the screenshots in this list are of low resolution. The last line says to not use multiple images if one will serve the purpose adequately, but since we are talking about an episode list here, should there not be more images to serve the purpose more adequately?--十八 07:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        Comment I'm trying to have some on-point discussion about this issue in Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#Screenshots redux. From what I'm being told, there isn't really wiggle room here. Low resolution screenshots are fine as long as they're minimal. 50+ isn't minimal. JuJube 08:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        Comment Okay, but who ever said this list had 50+? It has 13 last I checked.--十八 08:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I know, but until the debate is resolved one way or the other, I don't think episode lists with screenshots should be featured. Absent any authoritative final statement on the issue, that's how I feel. JuJube 08:36, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, with comment. Now satisfies the criteria for a featured list. Two comments here:
- "Tomari later thinks she sees Yasuna and Hazumu kissing at the train station, and later that night, Tomari does in fact kiss Hazumu. " Is this correct? If it is, I would enforce it with a contrasting word like "Tomari actually kisses Hazumu instead". Y Done
- What is the "end state" here? That Hazumu has a romantic relationship with both Tomari and Yasuna? --GunnarRene 09:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC) Y Done and clarified[reply]
  - Reply In episode 10, Hazumu is holding Yasuna after a panic attack at the train station and Tomari arrives and thinks she sees them kissing; this later gives her the courage to kiss Hazumu later that night on the pretense that Yasuna already violated their agreement at the end of episode 9; Tomari says this herself at the beginning of episode 11. The end state is a bit complicated, but not terribly so. At the end of episode 12, Hazumu gets with Yasuna; at the end of the OVA, Hazumu gets with Tomari after Yasuna wanted to be single from now on.--十八 09:53, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Fails featured list criteria #3. Also, I'm not sure that the referencing is done well enough to qualify this as "one of the best lists on Wikipedia". --Ali'i 16:22, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Images have been removed from Template:Japanese episode list so this list cannot fail criteria 3 anymore. And what is exactly wrong with the references given?--十八 22:07, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would have liked to see some of the references (the three external links at the bottom) incorporated into each episode block, but I won't oppose because of this alone. It's a nice little list. I'll remain Neutral for now. Mahalo. --Ali'i 13:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment Be that as it may, it's not common to see the episodes references in the list itself. I was patterning this list off of List of Fullmetal Alchemist episodes and List of Oh My Goddess episodes btw and they have all the references at the bottom. Many recent FLs at least I have seen do this and do not have in-line references.--十八 20:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - If you were to use inline citations, it looks like it would just be in the heading of the original airdate column, because they all use the same source. Jay32183 21:01, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to Support since the screenshots are gone. The list is well done. JuJube 03:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]