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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 17:36, 19 February 2012 [1].

List of Israel State Cup winners

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Nominator(s): —Cliftonianthe orangey bit 04:55, 15 December 2011 (UTC), HonorTheKing (talk · contribs)[reply]

Honor and I are nominating this for featured list because we believe it meets the criteria. We worked together recently on List of Israeli football champions, a similar list which now has FL status, and have brought this list up to a similar standard. Referencing is thorough; prose is, I believe, more than adequate; presentation is good; images are well-chosen and accompanied by appropriate captions and alternate text; finally, there are no accessibility issues, so far as I can tell. The result, I hope you will agree, is a list of a high standard. —Cliftonianthe orangey bit 04:55, 15 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:11, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • 1922–27: "which in fact beat the Ramla side in the 1927 decider." The "in fact" is just excess wordage; of course it's a fact, or it wouldn't have been included (at least I hope not).
  • "they are not today considered official by the Israel Football Association." Given that "today" is a time-sensitive element, and that it doesn't add much to the sentence as the time period is implied, I'd get rid of the word.
  • 1928–47: Don't think the hyphen is needed in "officially-sanctioned".

More later. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:23, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • "and appropriately commissioned a new trophy." The word "appropriately" sounds like a viewpoint is being injected into this sentence. Also, I don't see where this is sourced.
  • The cup was stolen and was never found, therefore the IFA were "forced" to make a new trophy, which was also good as the cup changed its name. It's writen in the Note 2 and Ref 9.
  • "it was not contested in four of the first 13 seasons since independence and the 1949–51 edition was abandoned before the final was played." It's an oddity that the 1949–51 tournament was held over multiple seasons; is there any explanation of why that was the case?
  • After the 1948-49 war, the games began in late 1949, with the end date to be in 1951, to help teams players recover after the war. But in the end the campaign was not completed. It is not the only season in Israeli football that a "double-season" happend, it happend in the 1966–68 Liga Leumit season in the league aswell after the IFA wanted to fight against corruption and increasing violence at matches
  • Total cup wins by city: "The most successful home city by some distance is Tel Aviv; Tel Aviv clubs...". Try to avoid this repetition from before the semi-colon to after.
  • Would be nice if the Won columns in the last two tables were sortable.
  • Another repetition issue from before punctuation to after in note 3, regarding British Police. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:29, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only further suggestion I have is to include a note, or some text in the appropriate section, regarding the 1949–51 double-season. The Israeli football champions list has some content on the 1966–68 double-season, and I think something equivalant would be just as valuable here. You could even include something in the note that's already there in the table. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:11, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 08:28, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Image caption, normally expect to see "extreme right" or whatever in italics.
    • Okay.
  • "almost every season" what season?
    • Football season, given.
  • "became independent in 1948," suspect there's a good link for this?
    • Yes, given.
  • "start of the 1961–62 season" context, what season?
    • Football season, given.
  • "clubs of all standards" what does that mean, professional and amateur, or something different?
    • Both, given.
  • "from the lower divisions". Perhaps I've missed the point, but what's the precise inclusion criteria for this contest?
    • Any club can enter. I've rephrased it: "It involves professional and amateur clubs of all standards playing against each other, creating the possibility for "minnows" to become "giant-killers" by eliminating top clubs from the tournament."
  • "to hold a 100% record " I think MOS frowns upon %, so maybe "to hold an undefeated record" or similar?
    • Okay.
  • "1922–27: unofficial national cups" section, you link Royal Air Force once, but Maccabi Nes Tziona and Maccabi Tel Aviv twice...
    • Okay.
  • "final ended with the two sides, Hapoel Tel Aviv and Maccabi Hasmonean Jerusalem, " no need for "the two sides" in my opinion.
    • Okay.
  • "the chaotic 1947 final " explanation required.
    • An explanation is given in the footnote at the end of the sentence – I don't think anything more is required here.
  • Ginzburg caption - "was a key player for" does the source say that? If so, it's a quote... if not, rephrase to stop it being a peacock quote.
    • I've rephrased it just to say he played for them.
  • "big-city teams" sounds tabloid to me.
    • Okay.
  • In the Performance by club section, British Police doesn't link to the same as before.
    • Okay, fixed.

The Rambling Man (talk) 21:11, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Had a whack through and I think I've resolved all of this now. —Cliftonian (talk) 21:34, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. Hope my review whack was useful too. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:36, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Of course. —Cliftonian (talk) 21:44, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 23:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Would make the key bit a caption instead of using the semi-colon
  • The third paragraph has no refs I would ref, the bit about most titles and biggest win in the final
  • "next most prolific team" not keen on this perhaps third most prolific to indicate the team's rank
  • "relatively recent phenomenon" would change phenomenon to occurrence
  • "Maccabi and Hapoel Tel Aviv have been major players" not keen on major players not very encyclopaedic perhaps change to Maccabi and Hapoel Tel Aviv have had sustained success
  • "The most decisive cup final victory by some distance was in 1942" -> The biggest margin of victory was in 1942

NapHit (talk) 22:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support NapHit (talk) 23:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support - wow, this nomination just fell off the face of the earth, didn't it. Looks quite nice, actually, I'm good on the text and tables. A few redirects you might want to adjust if they're not intentional- Penalty shootout in the key table, Hapoel Rishon LeZion in the people's cup table, Hapoel Ironi Rishon LeZion in the Isreal state cup table and the performance by club table, Be'er Sheva in the by city table, center and south in the district table, and Rec.sport.soccer Statistics Foundation in the references. Consider archiving your references with web.archive.org or webcitation.org - it's a pain, but websites have a tendency to move, change, or die and then you're left with a pile of dead links that don't cite your information. --PresN 21:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support and the tips. Indeed, this nomination seemingly got lost behind the proverbial sofa. —Cliftonian (talk) 21:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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