Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Grey's Anatomy cast members/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 17:10, 11 September 2012 [1].

List of Grey's Anatomy cast members

Featured list candidates/List of Grey's Anatomy cast members/archive1

Nominator(s): TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because after working on this article for the past year or so, I finally got around to developing it to featured quality. I am the most frequent contributor to the list, and after a recent peer review from TBrandley, I think this is ready to become a featured list. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:59, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Cassianto ^Talk 16:20, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"While creating the show, producers put an emphasis on the cast?"
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Do we need to keep repeating "season" when talking about debuts and departures. Instead of "Introduced in the second season is Dr. Addison Montgomery (Kate Walsh), who leaves the show at the end of the third season..." for "Dr. Addison Montgomery (Kate Walsh) was introduced during the second season and left the show at the end of the third..." or something similar.
- Done. For every new sentence, the first time I said "season", than the rest just the number. For example: "Dr. Callie Torres (Sara Ramirez) and Dr. Mark Sloan (Eric Dane) also enter the show in the second season, while half-sister of Meredith, Dr. Lexie Grey (Chyler Leigh), first appears in the third and dies at the end of the eighth."
  - There maybe a few who disagree with the fix of "season" which, IMO, was too repetetive. Another (and better) way would be to use another word for "season" every so often. Do you class "series" as another word (I do) , or do you consider "series" to mean seasons 1--9? -- Cassianto ^Talk 16:20, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"The cast have received numerous awards and nominations..."
- Done.

Not much else as far as I can see. Pretty solid stuff! :-) -- Cassianto ^Talk 07:05, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Everything's addressed; hope you can support/oppose its promotion. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Worthy of FL status. You list guys certainly know your stuff! -- Cassianto ^Talk 16:20, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from TBrandley (talk) 16:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"Grey's Anatomy is an American television medical drama that debuted on the American Broadcasting Company (ABC), as a mid-season replacement for Boston Legal on March 27, 2005." reference?
- The reference comes after the second sentence. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"The series has aired eight seasons" → "The series has aired for eight seasons"
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"in keeping". Remove "in", makes sentence sound weird
- Writing it without "in" would mangle the sentence. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"spin-off television series Private Practice". What spin-off. Comedy, Medical, Supernatural?
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"in order to launch her own spin-off television series Private Practice." reference?
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Recently been told not use semi-colon for bolding. In the list you use it make legend bold. Discussion is at FLC talk page, would use a caption for the legend instead of that.
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Link Grey's Anatomy Season One in reference 4
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ref. 6: Link work and publisher
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Ref. 10: Use single quotes (') rather than double quotes ("), as per WP:MOS
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
In external links, "List of" should be outside of those links
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Add a portal box in external links, including "Grey's Anatomy portal" and "Television portal"
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TBran dl ey 14:45, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Everything's done; thanks for the review. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Looks good. TBran dl ey 16:25, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from --Kürbis (✔) 12:36, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak oppose~~ there are far too many blue links in the lead; consider reducing the links. Take the Portuguese version as a good example. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 14:14, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I unlinked some common words and the seasons. The only other thing could be unlinking the characters and actors/actresses. Let me know, TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:10, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- What I meant are the numerous links to the fictional characters and the actors. Also, as every person in the lead has a doctorate, how about just remove the abbreviations? Perhaps just mention the very notable characters such as Meredith Grey and Cristina Yang, or newly-introduced actors/characters. At the moment it is a bit distracting. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 17:37, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'll remove the abbreviations. Do you think it would be best to remove all the actor/actress and character links since they're linked immediately below in the table? TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 17:44, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - No, I think it is fine as is. Regards.--Kürbis (✔) 19:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - Thanks; any more comments coming? TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support--Kürbis (✔) 12:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:09, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments overall I'm not entirely convinced by this format, but specific comments nevertheless.

"on the American Broadcasting Company (ABC), " on the Company? Do you mean on the ABC channel? or network?
- That is how it is written. See "Give Peace a Chance" (Grey's Anatomy), List of Grey's Anatomy episodes, etc. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"producers put an emphasis on the cast" what does that actually mean?
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You can't just use colours alone to indicate something per WP:ACCESS.
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Why are character names relinked in the tables but not actor names?
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all keen on the blank pink cells. I've asked User:RexxS to have a look to see how this table fares with a screen-reader. (He's now left some comments on his talk page about the shortcomings of the table...)
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 13:59, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:07, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comment I share TRM's concerns about the format, and specifically the use of level 3 headings in the middle of the table, which is something that MOS:DTT suggests against. There are also a couple of issues regarding row and column scopes. I've made some changes here; please revert if I've made things worse. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 14:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've rewritten the 'cast' section entirely, in a style recommended by RexxS, to comply with MOS:DTT. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 19:26, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looks considerably better, great work. My only real problem at the moment is the colours – maybe it's just my laptop, but the "Starring" colour looks just like the "No appearances" colour and the "Guest" colour looks just like the "To be announced" colour. Obviously having colours so similar-looking defeats the point of having them at all. Personally, I'd prefer the colours that Wikipedical used, or some variation of them. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They are very clearly different colors; I checked on 3 different computers. Perhaps it is your laptop. I think the brighter colors, such as the bright pink, do not meet WP:ACCESS, per RexxS. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I re-added brighter colors, but it looks like TRLIJC undid my revision. I really don't want to start an edit war, but the brighter colors do meet WP:ACCESS as all the brighter ones that I added are compliant with WCAG 2 AA and AAA via Colour Contrast Check. I would prefer the brighter colors too. -- Wikipedical (talk) 19:39, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you guys prefer brighter, feel free to change it back. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done! -- Wikipedical (talk) 04:51, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Question Is there anything to be said for perhaps using a fair use promotional image of the entire cast (such as, for example, File:GreysAnatomysSeason1Cast.jpg), rather than just a free use photo of only Ellen Pomeo? Personally, I think it would meet the fair use criteria: it's relevant to the article, it's necessary for the benefit of the reader, it identifies both the setting of the show and the costumes they wear, and it's not really replaceable. I welcome the thoughts of others on this subject. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:30, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 16:24, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If the colours situation has now been resolved, then I am happy to support this nomination. Like the new lead image too (although I think there needs to be a hyphen in "racially-diverse"). Great work, overall! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:07, 2 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Sofffie7 (talk) 00:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

I see one of Cassianto's remarks hasn't been done or has changed since it was done: "The cast have received numerous awards and nominations..." -> The cast has... --Sofffie7 (talk) 23:46, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I originally wrote it as "the cast has", but Cassianto requested it be changed to "the cast have". TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - OK, I didn't understand. But I still think the verb should be in the singular form, it's weird in plural. Or you precise to avoid confusion, "members of the cast have/the cast of actors has".
    - Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 00:05, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support, Sofffie7 (talk) 00:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Loved it from the start! Jonathan Harold Koszeghi (talk) 10:10, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 21:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Image could do with alt text
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CONTEXTLINK advises against having bold links. To rectify this add plainrowheaders to wikitable
- Per List of the Simpsons episodes#Seasons, List of Grey's Anatomy episodes#Series overview, etc. I think it's okay for tables. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The MOS is quite clear about this: "Do not place a link within the bolded title, even if that seems to provide a graceful way to link to an appropriate context-setting topic. Bolded links look neither like bolded text nor ordinary links, and appear jarring." Regarding the examples, as they are table headers I think there is a slight difference as it is a table headers, whereas having bold in the table itself places emphasis on a certain item when there should be none. NapHit (talk) 19:47, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ref 4, do you need the "(in english)" tag? would only expect that if the source was in a different language
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
ref 23 needs the author adding
- Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 13:14, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All done or replied to. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 15:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support NapHit (talk) 21:04, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Wikipedical (talk) 04:36, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Question: is there some logic as to the order of the characters/actors? Can't quite figure it out, since they're not listed alphabetically or by time on the show. -- Wikipedical (talk) 03:20, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's in order of their credit billing. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 03:25, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, shouldn't the actors be listed before the characters, since this is a list of the cast? -- Wikipedical (talk) 03:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- No, because the idea is that the actor is immediately next to the starring diagram. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 03:24, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't think that having the actor directly next to the diagram significantly improves clarity. And I still believe that having the actor in the first column is more appropriate for a cast list, distinguishing it from a characters list. -- Wikipedical (talk) 02:13, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - A character list gives summaries of the characters, whereas this is a list. I really don't think it matters, and would be tedious to change. However, if you feel not doing it would hinder the list's promotion, I'll do it. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 04:06, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      - Done. -- Wikipedical (talk) 04:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Looks good. -- Wikipedical (talk) 08:23, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from DavidCane (talk) 22:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

"...primitively supervised by Richard Webber...". Do you mean "primarily"? --DavidCane (talk) 17:45, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- No, 'primitively' is synonymous with 'originally'. At the commencement of the show, the surgical wing was originally supervised by Webber. He was later replaced by Shepherd, and then Hunt. Using 'primarily' wouldn't make sense; that would imply that he is still the chief. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I wouldn't say that primitively is synonymous with originally, except in the sense of meaning early, crude, basic and undeveloped. I would just use originally.--DavidCane (talk) 02:21, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 02:58, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Source comment – What makes Wetpaint (ref 23) a reliable source? Our article on the site says it accepts user-submitted content, which makes me doubt that it is an acceptable source. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:15, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- It was deemed reliable by Nikkimaria, and was accepted in my recently promoted FAC for Give Peace a Chance (Grey's Anatomy). Wetpaint, owned by The Cambio Network, was formerly a wiki-site. After much criticism, they moved their wiki to a different URL, and formed an editorial staff. Wetpaint has won an award, and has been on several "best sites" lists including one from Time Magazine. They have also interviewed several celebrities including Sarah Drew of Grey's Anatomy, and have partnered with renowned companies such as Fox, The Discovery Channel, and HBO. TRLIJC19 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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