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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted 20:51, 23 February 2008.

List of Florida state symbols

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This list is directly modeled on FL List of Maryland state symbols, and closely matches similar Featured Lists such as List of Indiana state symbols and List of Kentucky state symbols. There are no redlinks, and every item (except for the state nickname and the state motto) has an appropriate free-use picture in place. Horologium (talk) 12:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments again, not an area of expertise for me, but I'll comment in general terms nevertheless.
    • The lead is far too short for me.
    • Also, the article seems a little dry, very little in the lists themselves to describe the relevance of the selection of each symbol.
    • "A red saltire (diagonal cross) on a white background, with the seal of Florida superimposed on the center." is formatted strangely - does it have <br> in the table for a good reason?  Done Fixed by using fixed pixel values for columns.
    • Suggest a separate column for notes and references.
    • I think some of the images could be cropped to improve their appearance at the low resolution you have in the table.
    • You have the same image for Orange blossom and Orange. Could you not find another suitable image for either just to break the repetitiveness?  Done Changed Orange photo using image from Commons.
    • Link license plates.  Done
    • "...although the basic elements have remained consistent..." quantify this statement.  Done Quoted statute and linked.
    • "1913-1935" - use en-dash for year range.  Done
    • Not sure you should have a See also with Florida in it - I'd expect a link in the opening sentences to Florida!  Done by Crzycheetah. See also section deleted.
  • That's about it for me. Of all the comments, the lead is the biggest deal for me. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:33, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone through and fixed several of the issues. The lead is short, but all three of the other featured lists of this variety (List of Kentucky state symbols, List of Indiana state symbols, and List of Maryland state symbols) have leads of similar length, as does current FAC List of Alabama state symbols; all of these articles follow a fairly standard template. That is why there are no descriptions in the list, because none of the featured lists are written in that way.
For the flag text, I broke it into lines because of a formatting issue; without the breaks, that one table expands all the way across the screen to fit, and no longer lines up with the other tables. I am not sure how to fix that, other than using fixed widths for the tables (which is to be avoided), and while there is no requirement for all the tables to be the same size (look at List of Kentucky state symbols, where all of the tables are different sizes), it certainly looks much better. The other option would be to delete the descriptive text entirely, as at the Indiana and Alabama lists. Horologium (talk) 17:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would definitely opt for either fixing the width of the columns (don't know why that's to be avoided really) and while there's no requirement for them to be the same size, it would look pretty poor if they didn't. I haven't looked at the other featured lists of state symbols, while I'm sure that's how they've done it sounds like a reasonable argument, I'm reviewing this completely fresh so I'm not swayed by previous promoted articles. The same really applies to the lead for me. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:15, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Using fixed width columns is an issue for people whose screen resolution is rather low; if the fixed width is larger than their horizontal resolution, they end up with a horizontal scroll bar, which is a huge annoyance. I'll take a look at fixing the total width at ≈500 px, which should be both wide enough for the text/pics and still fit in a VGA display. Horologium (talk) 17:43, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that seems reasonable. I'm using a 12" iBook so I have a horizontal res of around 1024 pixels which I reckon is close to the min. These days I would expect 99.99% of folks to be operating 800 pixels or above horizontally... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(outdent) I went ahead and fixed all of the column widths at 100px. 200px, 100px, and 100px (total 500 px), so that old displays will not have a horozontal scroll bar. FWIW, my laptop display is 1920x1200, so it's sometimes a bit difficult to gauge how it will look on a lower resolution display. Horologium (talk) 18:14, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We might as well close this now, as the standards have obviously changed (since the Alabama list just failed, and it was structured largely along the same lines as this one, albeit with some redlinks). Horologium (talk) 14:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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