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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 23:06, 26 May 2008 [1].

List of Edmonton Oilers players

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I have rewritten this page, following the style and format of several other NHL player lists which have passed featured list criteria. Actually, I've added some improvements, such as a table in the "Key" section to name the nationality of each of the flag icons, per WP:Manual of style (flags). Also, it has bothered me that many of the other lists in this series only include the current franchise incarnation, so I also created List of Edmonton Oilers (WHA) players linked from this article as a companion list. The latter is not part of this nomination, but might help explain the context of this list criteria. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 00:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • CommentsSupport
    • All the redlinks need to be fixed.
    • The lead seems rather short and doesn't read very well. A brief explanation detailing that the Oilers weren't exactly an expansion team in the NHL, but rather a former WHA team is necessary for readers unfamiliar with hockey.
    • The Notes section is inconsistent with it's numbering for years (ex. SC 84 as opposed to Conn Smythe 1990).
    • For a list this size more photos would probably be appropriate. There are more Oilers available, notably Gretzky and Messier. While they may not be in Oilers colours, they are specifically two of the most noteworthy Oilers ever, and deserve to be shown here. Kaiser matias (talk) 04:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
     Done, for the most part. With respect to the redlinks, I note that WP:Featured list criteria says that the list should have a "minimal proportion of red links", not a complete absence of them. As of 19:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC) there are only 10 missing articles out of 396 players, so I would not think this would stop FL promotion. Nonetheless, I shall create those 10 new articles in the next day or so. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    A good looking list. The redlink issue is something I came across in some of my FL noms, and just looks better having all that blue. Also helps finish up the task of giving all NHLers an article. Kaiser matias (talk) 01:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I created Ron Carter (ice hockey)‎, Dan Currie (ice hockey), Jim Ennis‎, and Peter Eriksson (ice hockey) today, so there are only six redlinks left. Thanks for your support! — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 03:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This list is definately worthy. -Djsasso (talk) 18:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The pictures are hiding the section edit links. Can that be fixed? Maxim(talk) 01:57, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    What browser are you using, and what screen size? I see the section edit links just fine with IE7, even on a smaller 1024x768 screen. Do you see a difference between this list and any of the other NHL player lists? — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 02:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    I fixed it. The problem is that you put them all right at the top...the edits links were there but they are pushed to the bottom of the article when you do that. Atleast in Firefox. The Calgary list does not have this problem and I think its cause they are put on the article in this fashion. -Djsasso (talk) 04:34, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, I don't know about "fixed". Firefox is broken, IMO. The list now looks terrible on XGA displays, since the main player table is too wide and every row takes multiple lines. I originally put the images at the top for a reason, so that on XGA raster sizes only the goalie table would have that problem and the main player table would still look neat. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 04:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Nevermind then...you can figure it out. I reverted my edit. I have a bunch of whitespace between pictures and table so I didn't think there would be an issue at any resolution. Personally I think XGA has the issue if the table is too wide as the table is hardly wide at all. Do you have the same issue on the Calgary list of it being two lines? Though looking at that list the notes column is a bit smaller so you might not have that issue. -Djsasso (talk) 04:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, I'd still like to fix this, but perhaps a post to WP:Village pump (technical) with respect to Firefox might be in order. As for the Calgary list, no, it doesn't have this problem, as the "Notes" column in that table isn't very wide. They only won one Cup... — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 04:50, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
     Done I think.... I followed the instructions at WP:How to fix bunched-up edit links, and it looks the same for me with IE7, so I don't think I made it worse! But did I make it better? Does it look correct for you Firefox users now? — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 23:21, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very good list. Maxim(talk) 21:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Hi. Per the MOS's WP:COLOUR, use a text marker as well as coloured shaded cells. Something such as *, †, ‡, or ^ because if the page was printed out, or a user has B&W monitor, the colour isn't going to be printed. . Also, if you could, try to use different markers for Stanley cup winners, NHL award winners, and Hall of Fame electees which would help with the single colour use
  • Read WT:FLC#Straight repetitions of the title in the opening sentence, regarding the opening sentence of "This is a <repeat name of article title>".
  • Also think that the second two sentences of the first paragraph ("It includes all ice hockey players that have played at least one regular season or playoff game for the Edmonton Oilers in the NHL since the 1979–80 season. It does not include any players who only played for the team as a franchise in the World Hockey Association (WHA) from 1972 to 1979.") should be at the end of the Lead section, so that the rest of the prose describes the team and players, and then it moves on to discuss the list which follows.

Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 02:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback. On the first point, I certainly understand WP:COLOUR, and I thought I had that covered. All of the "blue" rows are also labelled with tags in the Notes column (SC, HHOF, etc.) so I didn't think any additional special characters were required, and for the "green" rows, I bolded the names. Do you not think bold text is sufficient? As an aside, I note that several of the other lists in this series that have already been promoted do not conform to this guideline, as the 2007–08 players are only shown in green. (e.g. List of Buffalo Sabres players, List of Calgary Flames players, List of New Jersey Devils players, etc.) so I would presume they need updating with respect to this guideline. (None of them follow the WP:MOSFLAG suggestions for flag icon usage either, by not providing a legend that identifies each flag by country name at least once on the page.)
I understand your point, all we can do as reviewers is push the point that the MOS has to be followed. If you feel any FLs don't meet that, you could always nominate them at WP:FLRC or simply change them yourself which is often what I do with minor things like that when I spot them. Anyway, I initially missed the SC HHOFs, so don't worry about it now. Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 16:30, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On the second and third points, I can certainly improve the lead. I had always thought that lists like these needed to identify the criteria for inclusion very close to the start. Also, as this list is clearly "secondary" to the main Edmonton Oilers article, I will need to make sure that this lead is not written too generally about the team and still focuses on the list itself. Anyway, I will work on this later, but I will address it. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 16:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Rewrote the lead section. Also added "Details are provided in the Notes column." to the legend key for the blue colour to help emphasize the additional non-colour markers. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 22:38, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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