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List of Chief Ministers of Karnataka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Nominator(s): —indopug (talk) 18:32, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Karnataka is a south Indian state, probably best-known to the wider world for its capital city Bangalore, as well as beautiful historical cities such as Mysore and Hampi. This is a list of the state's chief ministers—i.e. chief executives of the state govt a la governors in the United States. I look forward to your feedback; any issues will be resolved quickly.—indopug (talk) 18:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Couldn't find much wrong with prose, list covers the scope and is structured well. Would be nice if the table meets MOS:DTT, so rowscopes added on the name column. Lemonade51 (talk) 22:15, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Finally a comment! Thanks for the kind words, I'll take care of the accessibility issue tonight.—indopug (talk) 04:06, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: Good work with the list! Just one thing: images need appropriate ALT texts. —Zia Khan 22:46, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, and added alt-text.—indopug (talk) 12:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments. This is a good list. Just a couple of points where I think more detail would be helpful.
- "The governor appoints the chief minister". Presumably the governor appoints whoever can command a majority in the assembly, but it would be helpful to spell this out.
- Doesn't the previous sentence cover this, "Following elections to the Karnataka Legislative Assembly, the state's governor usually invites the party (or coalition) with a majority of seats to form the government" ? I don't want to say "leader of the majority party", because things in India are rarely that clear cut. Often you have the winning-party's central high-command imposing their loyalist in the state as chief minister. Prime Minister Indira Gandhi was especially notorious for doing this.—indopug (talk) 06:02, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- So if I understand you correctly, the governor has to appoint a government which can command a majority in the assembly, but the chief minister may not be the choice of the ruling party or coalition, but may be someone else chosen by the party high command. Can the high command do this if it is in opposition at the centre, or only if it controls the central government? I think it would be helpful to spell out the situation, but it is not a deal-breaker. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Not exactly. The governor appoints somebody from the party that has a majority in the state legislative assembly. But this somebody isn't always the democratic choice of the state unit of the party; often the higher ups in the party, at the national level (which is what I meant by the high command), simply picks whoever they like to be the chief minister. TLDR: rather than the state unit electing their representative to become chief minister, the national high command picks their favourite. (opposition parties are not involved at all)
- Honestly I don't believe this is within the scope of the article, which is a simple list of one state's chief ministers. One day I'll revamp Chief Minister (India), and I think that'll be a better a place to discuss this.—indopug (talk) 01:44, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- So if I understand you correctly, the governor has to appoint a government which can command a majority in the assembly, but the chief minister may not be the choice of the ruling party or coalition, but may be someone else chosen by the party high command. Can the high command do this if it is in opposition at the centre, or only if it controls the central government? I think it would be helpful to spell out the situation, but it is not a deal-breaker. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:16, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Doesn't the previous sentence cover this, "Following elections to the Karnataka Legislative Assembly, the state's governor usually invites the party (or coalition) with a majority of seats to form the government" ? I don't want to say "leader of the majority party", because things in India are rarely that clear cut. Often you have the winning-party's central high-command imposing their loyalist in the state as chief minister. Prime Minister Indira Gandhi was especially notorious for doing this.—indopug (talk) 06:02, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- "There have been six instances of President's rule in Karnataka". This seems a high number. Is it when no one can command a majority? I would suggest moving and expanding 'footnote e' to give more details, including that it is really rule by the governor. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:07, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I've expanded the note as suggested. But six instances isn't really a high number, rather it is par of the course. Such is the political instability and centre–state acrimony in India!—indopug (talk) 06:02, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I would have liked more on the rules of appointment but we can agree to disagree on that. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:49, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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