Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Carolina Panthers head coaches/archive1

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List of Carolina Panthers head coaches

Featured list candidates/List of Carolina Panthers head coaches/archive1

Nominator(s): Toa Nidhiki05 02:39, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is a list featuring all of the head coaches of the Carolina Panthers. It is a bit on the short side, primarily because the team has only had four coaches since joining the NFL in 1995, but is comparable to other featured lists on the topic. I didn't have to do much on the article aside from cleanup and lede expansion, and with those out of the way I think this meets the FL criteria. Toa Nidhiki05 02:39, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Rejectwater (talk) 22:42, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Rejectwater

I would edit the lead somewhat. The first paragraph should define the scope and inclusion criteria for the list; as such it should, at the very least, describe what the head coach does and how many there have been.
- Done. Toa Nidhiki05 17:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Image alt. See WP:ALT, especially the Bush/Blair and Queen Elizabeth examples.
- Done. Toa Nidhiki05 17:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Only one image. This is sort of a toss up issue as the list is so short. There is an image of Dom Capers available (in Packers gear, granted), but then again maybe one more image is one too many for a page of this size.
- There isn't really enough prose (or pictures, for that matter) to warrant including more IMO. I figure at least one image is needed to make this more aesthetically pleasing, though. Toa Nidhiki05 17:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator is not a significant contributor to the list, as noted in the nominating paragraph. Recommend you contact User:Jwalte04, User:Gary King, User:Cs-wolves, etc, if you haven't already, to notify them of the nomination if nothing else.
Not a single inline citation. Basically, nothing is cited. Three general references that could cover anything. I am flummoxed by this. Check out WP:CITE.
- Fixed. Toa Nidhiki05 17:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - No citations in the table. Maybe a "Ref(s)" column? Rejectwater (talk) 00:26, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Added. Toa Nidhiki05 18:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is clearly visible in that Ron Rivera image. That has got to be relevant in terms of the caption and/or the alt text.
- Fixed. Toa Nidhiki05 17:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Caption is better now but oddly worded and potentially confusing as to who is who. Maybe "Ron Rivera (left), the fourth and current head coach of the Carolina Panthers, signing autographs with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell." Rejectwater (talk) 00:26, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Consider using a template such as {{dagger}} instead of an asterisk for "Spent entire NFL head coaching career with the Panthers" which would allow use of an alt text. Also, Rivera has no asterisk.
- Good idea, fixed. Toa Nidhiki05 17:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Rivera's dagger has no alt text. Rejectwater (talk) 01:23, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Daggers need alt text? How can you even get alt text for a dagger?
      - Having an alt text was the whole point of suggesting use of a template. One could just as easily insert an HTML dagger. The suggested code for Rivera's dagger would be {{dagger|alt=Spent entire head coaching career with the Panthers}}. There is an underpinning of WP:ACCESS in the suggestion. A visual cue is required to supplement the color, as not all readers will see the color. By using a template, the visual cue becomes a very small image. If the reader cannot see the image they get the alt text instead. Rejectwater (talk) 00:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        If that sounded confrontational I deeply apologize, that was not my intent. I've gone through FLC several times with a {{dagger}} in text and nobody raised it as an issue - more importantly, I wasn't aware you could add alt text to a dagger. I was just asking how you do that. Will add. Toa Nidhiki05 04:59, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        I did not find your question confrontational, I just chose to give a long winded response. Regards, Rejectwater (talk) 23:56, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Key table and list table must both comply with WP:ACCESS. See MOS:DTT for help with this.
- I believe I've fixed this now. Toa Nidhiki05 18:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Key table has no column headers. Coaches table has no caption. Code is inconsistent; I believe the format of scope="col" is required (ie, some lines don't have the quotation marks). Rejectwater (talk) 01:23, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - I believe these are fixed now? Toa Nidhiki05 17:11, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - Coaches table has no caption. Rejectwater (talk) 00:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Capers was named coach of the year by at least one news organization in 1995 and 1996....". According to the list table Capers took home a bucket full of awards. Something about this doesn't seem right; probably the sentence should be re-worded.
- Good catch, fixed. Toa Nidhiki05 17:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kind regards, Rejectwater (talk) 01:51, 13 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Great list, well formatted, all my concerns addressed. I believe it meets the criteria. Rejectwater (talk) 22:42, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Couldn't this list be included into the main article Carolina Panthers? I don't see a reason why there needs to be a stand-alone list, considering that the list only has 4 entries (WP:WIAFL 3b). --K.Annoyomous (talk) 12:03, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I assume this is a list of internal consistency, because every team has a list. Moving the tables to the main article, a featured article, would make it very out of place, as would transferring all the info because on the main article, there is only a short paragraph on coaching along with ownership and executive officers... adding all the info here would make that section excessively focus on coaches. Toa Nidhiki05 15:10, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Every NFL team has a list of coaches per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE. Rejectwater (talk) 23:59, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose can easily be merged into the parent article. Summary style is irrelevant. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:23, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per TRM furthermore the list has only four entries so doesn't fulfill 3(b) criteria. Zia Khan 17:40, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to withdraw this entry due to trending consensus. Toa Nidhiki05 15:40, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been failed, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:14, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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