Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Australians in international prisons

List of Australians in international prisons

The list is well sourced, accurate, and meets the criteria for featured status. Consider this request a self-nom as I both began the article and have tweaked it a lot of late. Many other editors are contributing to the list regularly. -- Longhair 04:53, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Opening line "This is a list of Australians whose detention in prisons outside of Australia or execution is noteworthy." is odd. "whose detention or execution" perhaps? Also what is noteworthy. Australians may be pretty law-abiding but this list seems incredibly short. A number of entries fall to list reason for incarceration (in some cases even when it is mentioned in the comments section). Name change proposed in talk section seems like a good idea which had support (so why wasn't it done?) Rmhermen 05:15, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The introduction has been reworked to provide a more definite criteria. Renaming the article was suggested some months back, however nothing was ever agreed upon. I've again raised the issue on the articles talk page to see if others still think the proposal to rename is a good idea. -- Longhair 03:45, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - third sentence reads: This is an incomplete list, which may never be able to satisfy certain standards for completeness. Revisions and additions are welcome. Renata 05:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The sentence you refer is automatically inserted due to using the {{dynamic list}} tag within the article, to signify a dynamic list. The list is dynamic, as content won't always remain the same as it would with a list such as List of London Underground stations for example. -- Longhair 06:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Well, can you at least move it down somewhere along the notes, references & categories? Also the lead is way too short. By the way, great job on referencing. Renata 06:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- Done. How's the intro looking now? -- Longhair 22:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- how have you sourced the content? Is there a specific reference that lists all the prisoners mentioned in the list? Is the list up to date will all known convicts? =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- The list is sourced from news reports, support web sites, books authored by those imprisoned and written about them and the like. Every person referenced has their source listed in the notes column where possible and a full list of references is at the document footer. As for completeness, it's possible a few are missing from the list, though I suspect not very many. - Longhair 02:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Object --- I don't think that this article can vouch for *all* incarcerated Australians around the world. (i.e. as of Feb-2006) This list consists of only documented cases which contradicts the article title. Since there is not a single source that lists all known Aus prisoners, I don't think that it is comprehensive enough. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This is a very nice list. I was wondering, for the benefit of those at lower resolutions, if you could align="left" the elements on the table so that they don't look odd when spilling into a second line. I also changed the license tag of the image: it was labeled as being a movie screenshot, which I doubt was the case, so I changed it to fair use instead. -- Run e Welsh | ταλκ 12:42, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Vague inclusion criteria. --Carnildo 05:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: -- This isn't an AFD discussion. I've edited the introductory text, how's it fare now? -- Longhair 01:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Serious crimes" is still pretty vague. The other three criteria are reasonably noteworthy, but this one doesn't seem to be. --Carnildo 04:13, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

~~Marginal~~ Support -- A great list which AFAIK doesn't exist anywhere else in published form, hence it's hard to know if it's near complete or not. My gut feeling though is it's nowhere near complete - I cannot imagine that there's only 45 or so Australians currently in international prisons, but I have no hard evidence for this view though. Conversely, I'm sure that there's people in prisons around the world that for reasons of privacy for them and their families wish to stay anonymous. WP is not in the business of censorship but we should be sympathetic to that (or at least aware) given the seriousness of their positions. As Longhair said above, the names and details listed are generally taken from news reports and published materials. If only we could get an official list or at least a head count from someone. Presumably DFAT does this. -- Ian ≡ talk 01:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC) Agree it doesn't need to be complete - only notable prisoners listed. -- Ian ≡ talk 04:54, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support the intro looks much better, and it does not seek to list every prisoner, just the most notable ones. I like it because it's unique to WP. Renata 02:04, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional support upon fixing the "serious crimes" criterion. I know some legal systems do differentiate serious crimes from others, so a note could be made to that effect. An example (I think, but you'd have to do some research on that) would be drug trafficking in Thailand. -- Run e Welsh | ταλκ 16:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: -- Thanks for your support. I'm still researching the correct syntax for the alignment issue you refer to above. No luck yet. I've tried, and failed, but I prefer to use your alignment idea. I'll put in some time tomorrow looking more into the answer. - Longhair 17:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See the article's history for an example of how to fix the alignment in an edit of mine. -- Run e Welsh | ταλκ 22:09, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I've made your suggested left alignment changes. Thanks for your assistance Rune. As I run a high resolution most times, I guess my changes weren't as visible to myself as others. I dropped back to 800 x 600 after my most recent edit and didn't notice anything untoward. Please let me know if an alignment problem still exists thanks. - Longhair 01:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: - The introduction criteria now reads "convicted of notable crimes whilst abroad". How's that sound? -- Longhair 10:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Object - The criterion of "noteworthiness" needs to be objective, otherwise how do you decide whether or not someone appears on this list? In any event, I suspect it is not comprehensive - the list itself says "This is an incomplete list...", and there are no entries before 1969 and few before the late 1990s. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- If we're incapable of judging the noteworthiness of crimes, then wouldn't the logical action be to ban wikipedia from writing about crime due to the risk that un-noteworthy stuff may be written about? Andjam 11:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]