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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 17:38, 18 April 2011 [1].

List of Alabama Crimson Tide bowl games

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Nominator(s): Patriarca12 (talk) 23:50, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel its does meet the FL criteria, as it tends to follow the format established for the List of Texas Tech Red Raiders bowl games FL. I chose this format as Alabama has competed in nearly sixty bowl games and the format set in both the List of Connecticut Huskies bowl games and List of Virginia Tech Hokies bowl games would be too long and redundant with information already in place in the individual bowl articles. All comments and critiques are greatly appreciated! Thanks. Patriarca12 (talk) 23:50, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Courcelles 07:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments
Too much boldface, read MOS:BOLD; you can't use boldface as a way of presenting information or drawing emphasis to something.
Removed excessive boldface.
Result column ought to be sortable.
Done
I tend to think bowl games that are the same game (Outback and Hall of Fame, for example) should sort together.
Done with appropriate notes added for clarity for readers who are not familiar with college bowl games.
Needs to be using Scope col and scope row parameters.
Done

Courcelles 18:44, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking a look at this! Please let me know if you see anything else that needs to be reevaluated. Patriarca12 (talk) 23:46, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "appeared in 58 bowl games.[1][2] Included in these 58 games" no need to repeat 58 here.
Done
  • ".[3][2]" - numerical order is preferred.
Fixed
  • "led the Crimson Tide to" you've already mentioned Alabama, so why not just "led them to"?
Done
  • "a five year bowl " - surely "a five-year bowl"?
Done
  • "Denotes national championship game." not a complete sentence so need for a period.
Removed
  • In the table heading - Head Coach -> Head coach.
Done
  • Not sure how the "score" col sorts. I presume by first digit of result which is a little odd when you get 13-0 loss first (of all losses) then 7-0 loss last (of all losses). Would suggest either making this column unsortable or make it sort with some kind of logic (e.g. biggest points difference), not just based on first digit of scoreline.
Table amended with a note stating that the scores are now sortable by W, L or T with margin of victory being how the column sorts.
  • Note 2 needs a period.
Done

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have addressed all but one of your comments at this time, so stay tuned. If you have any additional thought or suggestions in the interim, please let me know! Thanks again for taking a look at this. Patriarca12 (talk) 04:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • To a non-expert, there's no clear indication as to the significance of the various bowl games. Is the Sugar bowl better than the Orange or Cotton bowl? What is the difference?

:I will work to find a source stating the traditional "big" bowl games were the Rose, Sugar, Orange and Cotton, with the Fiesta taking the place of the Cotton in terms of importance in the BCS-era in the next day or two. Statement added to first paragraph and source added. Patriarca12 (talk) 23:57, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:07, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • The last word of the second paragraph should be changed to "Bowls" since that's referring to numerous games.
Done
  • Redundancy here: "ruled Alabama violated multiple rules".
Amended
  • "in 2004 Mike Shula led Alabama to the Music City Bowl and a victory in the Cotton Bowl." Only one of those came in the 2004 season. It looks funny when seeing later that the game actually happened in 2006.
Clarified this statement
  • I fear that people are going to see the term Iron Bowl and immediately wonder why that isn't included in the list. How about piping the link while having "game against Auburn" or something similar as the prose?
Good call. Glad to have other eyes on this as being a fan of Bama I forget that everyone may not know what the Iron Bowl is.
  • Note 4 needs a comma after "ruled", and the awkward "Alabama to vacate"-type structure is present again (I remember it from another list).
Cleaned up a bit to reflect the wording from the coaches' article.

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:19, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments addressed and again thank you for taking the time to check this out and give feedback. It is much appreciated as always! Patriarca12 (talk) 23:57, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • I believe the score is not sorted properly. The note states that it's sorted by "margin of victory" which is linked to a glossary where I read that margin of victory means The total difference in points in a game, expressed as possessed by the winning team. Therefore, when I sort from the highest margin to the lowest, I have to see the 25th (32 point margin) bowl sorted below the 58th(42 point margin). This list currently sorts the 25th (32 point margin) bowl below the 51st (1 point margin) bowl. One is not a higher number than 32.
      • I see what you are saying and have further clarified the note explaining how the column sorts. Essentially, it sorts whether the contest was an Alabama win loss or tie first and then is sorted by margin of victory for each of those three categories. If it still does not look right, please let me know and I will try to come up with a better solution.
        • It's all right now, the note corresponds to the way the sorting works. I was just expecting to see the score sorted from the best result to the worst result. What I mean is the 11th bowl has the highest margin of victory (+55 points), so it should be sorted as "the best result". The 25th bowl has the highest margin of loss(-32 points), so it should be sorted as "the worst result". It's just my preference, so you can disregard it.--Cheetah (talk) 02:58, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • What reference are you using for the 58th Bowl? How do I check if the attendance number is correct?
      • Good call. I have added a separate reference for that game, and will remove it in the future when the NCAA publishes its 2011 NCAA Division I Football Records.

--Cheetah (talk) 01:21, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the time to check this out as it is appreciated. Please let me know if further things need to be addressed. Patriarca12 (talk) 02:22, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from KV5
  • Remove all en-dashes in prose, as they are contrary to MOS (ex. "between 1931–1946" should be between 1931 and 1946). This doesn't apply to box scores.
  • Done
  • "Included in these games are 31 combined appearances... and three Bowl Championship Series (BCS) game appearances" - 31 and 3 are comparable quantities, so it should be "thirty-one and three" or "31 and 3" (latter preferred).
  • Done
  • "and 3 ties" - comma after
  • Done
  • What purpose does the number column serve? The table can be put in its original order simply by sorting the "Date" and "Season" columns.
  • Honestly, I have this column here as it is in place at the other three lists of bowls that have been promoted to FL (Connecticut, Texas Tech and Virginia Tech). I have no opinion either way on keeping it or omitting it as long as there is a general consensus on its inclusion or not.
  • Note in the key where the year links and team links go because the links are not necessarily self-explanatory.
  • Done

Hope these comments help. Support — KV5 • Talk • 15:36, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

::Thanks for the comments. I will get to them as soon as I get home later this week. Patriarca12 (talk) 13:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again! I have addressed your comments at this time, and please let me know if you see anything else that needs to be worked on. Cheers! Patriarca12 (talk) 21:57, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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