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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:48, 5 February 2019 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of AFL debuts in 2008

Nominator(s): Allied45 (talk) 22:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing my quest to develop more Australian Football League-related featured content, this will hopefully be my third FL this year after successfully getting Norm Smith Medal and List of Gold Coast Football Club players promoted. This time I have turned my eye to developing a format for VFL/AFL debut lists that can hopefully then be replicated across this series of existing lists. Allied45 (talk) 22:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - looks good, just one minor point spotted so far: key tables should not have a full stop at the end of text that isn't a complete sentence. Also, given that the key says, for example, "The number of games played in 2008", is it really necessary to say "Statistics are updated as of the conclusion of the 2008 season"? Surely that's obvious/implied...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks ChrisTheDude, all fixed. Allied45 (talk) 08:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support - all looks good now -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I don't know if it's just me, but reading the title "debut" and seeing that list includes players who transferred clubs confused me. I mean you can only make your AFL debut once right? By this token, a guy who's played in the AFL for 10 years would be listed as a "debut" in the AFT if he joined a new club.??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MPJ-DK (talk • contribs)
The lead covers this by saying (or at least implying) that the least includes debuts at both levels, i.e. the AFL level and the new club level. I'm also not entirely convinced that "AFL debut" should include the latter. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I see what you mean, and I tend to agree to be honest; however it seems to be included in the majority of the related yearly lists for "AFL debuts" so I am unsure if removing it in this instance would upset the "status quo". Allied45 (talk) 08:40, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

You can probably make "this year celebrated the 150th..." in the first paragraph a stand-alone sentence.
Link "Carlton" to that club in the third paragraph.
Image caption: "Matthew Kreuzer played 20 games this season, after..." Strike the comma.
Image caption: "Adam Schneider formerly played for Sydney, before..." Strike the comma.
"Summary of debuts... table": The first column only adds up to 82, but the total shows it as 84.
"Debuts" table key: Change both instances of players' to player's since each cell provides the age and round for only one player each not several.
"Change of club" table key: Change both instances of players' to player's since each cell provides the previous club and round for only one player each not several.
"Change of club" table key: Remove the period from the end of the first five descriptions (Round to †) as these are not complete sentences.
Everything else looks good. I think these changes should bring it up to meet FL criteria. NatureBoyMD (talk) 19:33, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks NatureBoyMD, have applied all suggestions. Allied45 (talk) 10:56, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support ... Well done. NatureBoyMD (talk) 13:20, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 18:08, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments – Just a couple from me:

We don't need a second 2008 AFL Grand Final link in the lead.
Most importantly, are we sure that AFL Tables is a reliable source? It cites most of the article's content and doesn't look to be an official AFL website, which is what I had thought it was at first. Is there an organization behind the site, or is it somebody's personal website? Giants2008 (Talk) 22:16, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments Giants2008; the duplicate link has been removed, and in regards to AFL Tables, unfortunately there is a lack of an "official" AFL website for historical statistical data, and AFL Tables has become a "de facto" replacement often used within the AFL Wikipedia community. However, to satisfy your concerns, the information is also sourced from the Lovett 2009 citation (an official AFL publication). I hope that will suffice? Allied45 (talk) 10:59, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support – The explanation for the source I questioned seems sound enough, and my other nit-pick was fixed. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:08, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – With my one reliability question from earlier resolved, I'd say the references are all reliable and well-formatted, and the link-checker tool shows no issues. I spot-checked references 50, 67, and 88, and found no verifiability problems (although it did take me a while to find the debut appearance age at first). Overall, I think the source review is a pass. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:19, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not seeing any outstanding issues myself, so with the source review passed, promoting. --Pres N 17:49, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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