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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 15:15, 9 October 2011 [1].

List of 1984 Winter Olympics medal winners

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Nominator(s): Parutakupiu (talk) 17:02, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After the medal table list, now the medal winners list. Created this one from scratch and tried my best to develop it to a state which I now think is reasonably ready to undergo a FLC process. The only issue might be a cluster on red links in the ice hockey section, but I see it as a "minimal proportion" and I really did not want to go and create a bunch of bio stubs just to fix that. Your reviews and comments are much appreciated. Parutakupiu (talk) 17:02, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Compared to the official program of the 1980 Winter Olympics, a new event was introduced..." Would prefer it to say "The program was the same as that in the 1980 games, with the addition of..." (or something similar).
    • Changed.
  • "with 9 medals" -> nine.
  • " with 4 gold medals" -> four.
    • Both changed.
  • Torvill and Dean have their own unified page.
    • Forgot about that one. Saves me words and links.
  • "artistical impression" is that artistical or artistic? I'm not sure myself so thought I'd check.
    • Yes, it's 'artistic'.
  • Probably need a very brief few words on what the "Miracle on Ice" was, I have no idea myself.
    • The lead is a bit on the length limit so I preferred to remove it than to add another chunk of words. Anyways, the "Miracle on Ice" is described where it should (1980 Winter Olympics page)
  • "Dmitri Vassiliev" our article has a different spelling.
    • That's the spelling on the IOC database, but I've corrected that for many other athletes, so it was only a fault of mine.
  • File:4wiki nykaenen matti.JPG is missing.
    • Oh, must've been deleted meanwhile. Replaced with the other athlete that won gold and silver. The image is quite vertical (I even used the 'upright' parameter') so I added a {{clear}} element; this creates quite a lot of blank space, but I think it prevents issues with lower resolution screens.
  • "5000 and 100000 metres" - 5,000 and 10,000 (not 100000!), the commas should be used in the main tables too to separate thousands.
    • Added commas on the table... and fixed the caption (gosh, didn't even see that mistake!).
  • Sorting by silver/bronze is odd in Safari because after silvers/bronzes, it should then sort by gold... it doesn't.
    • I think I get what you mean ("sort" of...) but I don't see how I can fix that. I thought it worked well on its own...
  • "(first from left) and Karin Enke (second from right) " bit confused but in a group of four, isn't "first from left" the same as "second from right"? does first from left mean left-most?
    • In a group of four, the "first from left" is the left-most, yes, but the "second from the right" is the "third from left", no? It's not too clear, it seams. What do you suggest?
  • Ref titles with spaced hyphens should use spaced en-dashes per WP:DASH, e.g. ref 14.
    • Fixed.

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 10:37, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Overall, this looks like a great list, just one concern, the table fails WP:ACCESS at the moment. I notice the template for the medallist table has scope=col but you need to include scope=row next to the athletes as well. Medal leaders table needs both scope=col and scope=row. Other than that it looks fine. NapHit (talk) 13:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. In the medal table leaders, scope=row was only needed just before the athlete name cell, or for every cell in that row? Parutakupiu (talk) 17:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry should have noted that instead of using a pipe before scope=row you have to an exclamation mark, I've done the first table anyway so you can just copy the rest. For the medal leaders table you only need one scope=row before the athlete name cell. NapHit (talk) 20:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, all done. Parutakupiu (talk) 23:58, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support Great work, well done NapHit (talk) 10:37, 5 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Minor, but "the" could be added before first use of United States.
    • Added.
  • Not convinced that "was once again a display of power from Nordic countries" is formal enough; there's also nothing really backing up the fact that the results were part of a pattern.
    • Yeah, rubbing a bit on the personal comment (though it reads well :P). Took out the "once again" and rephrased to "The Nordic countries displayed their strength in the cross-country skiing competition..."
  • For Tretiak's caption, goaltenders in hockey aren't usually called keepers.
    • Ah, thanks. I'm not much into ice hockey so I did not know they were called differently.
  • "Jens (last name) of East Germany took either gold or silver in the ski jumping competition in Sarajevo." This implies that there was one competition with unknown results, instead of two in which he won one of each medal. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 23:20, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  1. I've corrected several links in the lead that fail Wikipedia:Links#Link clarity in that their target articles were not obvious. Others may exist so this needs checking.
  2. It would be interesting to know if some of the medal winners were making their Olympic debut, and perhaps if it was the last Games for some. I would probably support the article without this but it would be an interesting addition.

violet/riga [talk] 18:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the copyediting. Nonetheless, I removed the links to the countries proper which are irrelevant to the article (unlike before when they pointed to the country's participation at the Games). As for your second point, Tretiak's caption mentions his last Olympic medal, but I haven't made an exhaustive search. I'll see what I can do. Parutakupiu (talk) 00:28, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I did not need to look too much to understand that the 1984 Games (and most likely other editions) were either the first, the last or the only Winter Olympics for most of the listed medal winners. If one weighs the predictably large amount of data resulting from this with the relevance to the page, I do not think it's worth the effort. Parutakupiu (talk) 18:47, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, with only one small correction. I think the references to "Olympics at Sports-Reference.com. Sports Reference LLC" should be altered, to use work=Olympics and publisher=[[Sports Reference]]. The "LLC" is entirely unnecessary, and the website's name need not be repeated. --Stemonitis (talk) 06:20, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • The section of that website dedicated to the Olympics (i.e. the work= parameter) is called "Olympics at Sports-Reference.com", and according to this page, that's how any content taken from it should be referenced. "Sports Reference LLC" is the full name of the entity publishing the content online, just like The Times newspaper is published by Times Newspapers Ltd.
      • We are not obliged to follow other people's suggestions for reference formatting, particularly where it conflicts with common sense or our own (rather better thought-out) guidelines. The site as a whole proclaims itself to be called "Sports Reference", not "Sports-Reference.com", and the Olympics section is only part of that. Your Times analogy is apt; the article is at News International, not News International Ltd, and such descriptors are generally omitted in citations, too. --Stemonitis (talk) 14:55, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, your arguments are solid and since I'm not sure about the position of the WikiProject Olympics on this matter, I'd like to bring it up to the project discussion, because a change like that would affect not only this page but hundreds of other Olympics-related articles. I presume that this is not an impediment for your support? Parutakupiu (talk) 15:15, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • On reflection, no, it's not serious enough to cause opposition. I do still think the format is imperfect, but you are right that it doesn't need to be sorted out here and now. --Stemonitis (talk) 15:59, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • I appreciate your comprehension. I have already taken this matter for discussion within the project. If and when we reach a decision, I can report it to you, if you're still interested. Thank you. Parutakupiu (talk) 16:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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