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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 17:49, 12 November 2010 [1].

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List of 1936 Winter Olympics medal winners

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Nominator(s): Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 02:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC) & Courcelles

I am nominating this as I think it's of similar quality (or at least I hope it is) to other early-year Olympics medal winners featured lists like list of 1928 Winter Olympics medal winners and list of 1932 Winter Olympics medal winners. I've also reviewed the FLC for the 1932 list and tried to change anything in this article that would have attracted similar comments. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 02:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

• Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 03:44, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• Comment:Sweden had the second most number of medals with seven, but had one less gold medal than hosts Germany, hosts should be IMHO host nation-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 13:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Done. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 13:35, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• Comment:Great Britain's surprise win in ice hockey remains their only gold medal in the event to date. surprised won..., remains... or: surprised by winning or: surprisingly won or: won surprisingly-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 13:24, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
  • "Surprise" is used as an adjective here, to describe the nature of the win/gold medal. Maybe I should just remove "surprise" altogether if that's really an issue? Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 13:35, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Or maybe a better phrasing would be "Great Britain's unexpected win"? Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 13:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    • yes this is better :)-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 13:52, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
      • Done, rephrased. Thanks. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 15:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support:looks good-- ♫Greatorangepumpkin♫ T 13:53, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
• Quick Comments - Are you using the Main article template or the See also for above the tables? "Sweden had the second most number of medals with seven, but had one less gold medal than host nation Germany, who placed second in the medal standings with three golds." I think this line can be worded much better to me, I don't understand why you'd bring up the third place before the second place. Afro (Talk) 15:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
  • I'm using {{seealso}}, based on the 1928 article. The one stray {{main}} has been fixed. As for the other point... the paragraph led off with a mention of Norway winning the most medals, so it seemed right that the next mention should be for the second most number of medals. Of course, Sweden don't actually place second overall based on the IOC's sorting method (G-S-B)... so then again it didn't seem right not to mention that Germany won more golds. Listing them the other way (Germany placed second in the medal standings with three golds, but had one less medal than Sweden with seven) doesn't seem to be any better or worse, really, imo. Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 15:47, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    • Support - I see no real problems with the article. Afro (Talk) 01:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

• Comments:

• Two demonstration sports were held—eisschiessen and military patrol, which made its third appearance try to rephrase it

That merited a complete rewrite, to connect military patrol with the known sport of Biathlon- done. Courcelles

• Both men and women participated at these Games, with the women's alpine skiing event being the first medal event women were allowed to participate in at the Winter Olympics outside of figure skating. Women had been allowed to participate in ladies' singles and pairs figure skating since the first Winter Olympics sounds repetitive and awkward. I would rewrite this to something like. "Women had been allowed to participate in ladies' singles and pairs figure skating since the first Winter Olympics. The women's alpine skiing event became only the second medal event where women were allowed to participate in at the Winter Olympics."

Rewritten.Courcelles

• seven of them gold you mean ...of gold?

Reworded, somewhat differently, "them of gold" would be poor English. Courcelles

• but had one less gold medal than host nation Germany, who placed second in the medal standings with three golds. medal standings are not unanimously accepted as having the most golds (as opposed to highest total). I would rephrase with ".., who won three golds but only 6 in total".

Rewritten Courcelles

• Athletes from 11 of the 28 participating NOCs won at least a bronze medal; athletes from eight countries won at least one gold. I would prefer: "Athletes from eight of the 28 participating NOCs won at least one gold medal, and from three other won medals but none of gold"

Not changed, as that phrasing is poor grammar, and the current version is proper grammar. Courcelles

• Why not rename "Medal leaders" to "Multiple medallists"?

Equivalent, changed. Courcelles 21:00, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Nergaal (talk) 20:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• Support I see no further issues. Nergaal (talk) 03:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest adding File:Kalle-Jalkanen-1936.jpg also. Nergaal (talk) 03:44, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Really can't happen- that image actually needs to be nominated for deletion Commons-side, as the source, "Scan of old picture from grandfather's albums" is not conclusive proof the uploader has any actual title to the rights to the image, rather than just acquiring a print of the photo. (To use an analogy, I have boxes full of photos my grandfather took, yet because of the way inheritance laws work, even though I have the only copy of the prints, I own at most one-fourth of the rights to the photos.) I'd normally go talk to the uploader, but since they haven't edited for 15 months, I suspect I'd be wasting my breath. Courcelles 04:08, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:41, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments "Both men and women..." this sentence goes on and on and on! Consider splitting. Done. Courcelles 16:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC) Lahde has an umlaut missing in the caption. Fixed. Courcelles 16:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC) "Ladies' singles" ladies' singles what? Fixed in fixing the first one. Sport needs linking every time since the table is sortable. Done. Courcelles 16:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC) Any reason not to use the {{commons}} template? Because there are no other external links, using that template creates quite a bit of white space. Courcelles 16:12, 29 October 2010 (UTC) The Rambling Man (talk) 15:59, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

• Comment Support – Try to avoid repetition like this: "and military patrol. Military patrol...". That's the only thing I saw worth noting. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:22, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

• Reworded. Courcelles 21:32, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

• I think it's pretty redundant to say "1936 Winter Olympics" and "were a winter multi-sport event" in the opening sentence. --Hurricanehink (talk) 05:49, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

• Well... I could explain, but bottom line is that you're right, it does look weird having "winter" three times in one sentence. Removed. Courcelles 06:53, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

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