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FHM's 100 Sexiest Women (UK)

Featured list candidates/FHM's 100 Sexiest Women (UK)/archive1

Nominator(s): A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:57, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've really ummed and ahhed over nominating this article. Do I really want to be known as that guy who literally spent his free time writing a Wikipedia article about sexy women? Well, whatever, I think it's basically at FL standard, so why not? The layout of this article is largely based on NME's Cool List (currently a FL). I welcome any and all feedback. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:57, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Nergaal

list needs a section on those present multiple times in top10. Nergaal (talk) 21:49, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Does the article really need that? I'm not convinced, I'm afraid. I can maybe see including a section on who has featured in the most Top 100s, but why just the Top 10s? If some other source listed that information, then I'd be okay with including it, but, as it is, I'm concerned that it skates a little too close to original research for me. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 21:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Freikorp

Resolved comments from Freikorp (talk)

Some kind of coverage on people who have been listed multiple times (regardless of whether it's top 10 or top 100) would be interesting. However, it's not the kind of thing I would withhold support over.

Added into the prose that Kelly Brook has been listed in the Top 10 more than anyone else. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Subsequent winners included the Russian tennis player Anna Kournikova" - Is there any reason why Anna is mentioned in the lead? I mean, as opposed to all the other people who have won. I get mentioning the first and last winner, and I get mentioning Berry and Lopez since there's some commentary about their wins. Mentioning Anna for no apparent reason seems a bit selective to me.

I guess it was a bit selective. I just picked her because I didn't want it to seem like only Brits and Americans had topped the list. Now replaced with Cheryl Cole – is that any better? A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly this seems to be much of a muchness; now I'm wondering why Cheryl Cole is being mentioned in the lead considering there doesn't appear to be anything unique about her entry either. I won't withhold support over this though.

I was thinking that she's the only other person to top the listing more than once. I've added a note to clarify this. Thank you for the support, Freikorp! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 16:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Lopez was the first to top it more than once" - Is she still the only person to have topped it more than once? This should be clarified to the reader.

Couldn't find a decent way to work this into the lead, so have added a note at the bottom. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Since Kimberly Stewart has her own Wikipedia article, I see no reason to introduce her as Rod Stewart's daughter in the lead

Changed. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"former features editor" - just clarifying this is correct? I note it could be but thought it may have been a typo of "featured" also

I've rewatched the documentary that Daubney featured in, and the on-screen title introduces him as the "Features editor". A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

'FHM also occasionally published a "Most Eligible Bachelorettes"' - I wouldn't say they published it occasionally, i'd say they published it for two consecutive years.

Replaced "occasionally" with "twice". A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Looks really good. Will be happy to support this once minor issues are addressed. Freikorp (talk) 04:08, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the review, Freikorp! Apologies for the delay in addressing your comments. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A Thousand Doors these comments have been here three or so weeks without any response, would you like to address them or should I archive the nomination? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for my absence, comments now addressed. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:20, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great overall. Happy to support this now. Freikorp (talk) 13:28, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great overall. Happy to support this now. Freikorp (talk) 13:28, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from ChrisTheDude

Support although it's worth clarifying why Cheryl is mentioned in the lead (second multi-time winner). Until you realise that, it seems a bit random that she's picked out for special mention.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:46, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support, Chris. I've added a note to the lead to clarify this – is this an improvement? Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 16:24, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Yashthepunisher

In ref 1, 23 and 34, FHM is piped to a redirect.
- My reading of WP:NOPIPE is that piping to redirects can be acceptable. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Make sure all the images have alt text.
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think their should be a caption for the FHM image.
- I had considered this, but the only caption that would be appropriate would be something like "FHM logo". But the image is obviously a logo, and it says FHM, so it seemed to me that a caption like that would be a little redundant. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yashthepunisher (talk) 07:47, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for the review! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:54, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support this nomination. Yashthepunisher (talk) 16:32, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Cartoon network freak

Resolved comments from Cartoon network freak (talk)

Lead

Cheryl Cole used only "Cheryl" as her stage name now, so this should be revised
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
is the actress Gal Gadot. → Maybe it's worth mentioning her nationality
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
to celebrate qualities such as "talent, star quality and cash" → quotes in the lead always need a citation
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To commemorate the 10th → numbers under 11 should be written out, so it should be "tenth" here
- MOS:NUMERAL says that numbers under 10 should be written out as words. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
two one-off charts → this is vague a vague term
- Linked "one-off" to its entry on Wiktionary. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
to recognise the sexiest women up to those points → you should somehow clarify that the lists were decade-end and all-time charts, respectively
- I can't find any decent way to phrase that. How would you write that sentence? A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - I really don't know either lol, but that's not that relevant, I think. Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:07, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Rachel Stevens → nationality
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The image of FHM's logo shouldn't be used in this article per WP:FUR, which implies that logos should only be used in the articles about the organizations (in this case magazines) they belong to.
- According to the licensing description for this image over at Wikimedia Commons, the logo doesn't meet the threshold of originality, since it consists only of simple geometric shapes or text, so it can be used in Wikipedia articles. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure the final printed issue was distributed in January 2016? The FHM article says it was in December 2015; just asking...
- I'll look into that and get back to you. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

History

The first 100 Sexiest Women list was published in 1995, and was compiled exclusively by a panel of 250 judges; the German supermodel Claudia Schiffer topped the inaugural list → To avoid word repetition: The first 100 Sexiest Women list, compiled excusively by a panel of 250 judges, was published in 1995 topped by the German supermodel Claudia Schiffer.
- Done Replaced second "list" with "chart" to avoid repitition. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
with its companion issue → what is a "companion issue"? Maybe I'm dumb, but I never heard of this term
- The issue that was dedicated to the list. How would you phrase this? A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's actually okay now that you've explained it to me. Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:07, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Porter was placed at number eight in the chart → Porter was placed at number eight in that year's chart (to further clarify which year we're in)
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The first person to top the 100 Sexiest list more than once → Why is there no "...Women" anymore?
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
nationality and occupation of Jennifer Lopez
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Link "Anna Kournikova" and "Halle Berry"
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
the most successful poll to that point → how do you define "successful" here?
- The most votes were cast. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Brook has been featured in the Top 10 → Brook has been featured in the top ten
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
the androgynous model Andrej Pejic → I think transgender is a more well-known term for readers (for me as well)
- This is obviously a delicate issue. At the time, Pejic wasn't identifying as female (not openly, at least). She was working (and was promoted) as an androgynous male model, so none of the sources at the time described her as transgender. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the nationality of Pejic is relevant
- Hmm.... "androgynous Australian model" or "Australian androgynous model"? That seems like one too many adjectives to me. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
when the entry's accompanying blurb → by "blurb", do you mean something like a paragraph about the nominee? If so, then please reword this if possible
- Yes, that's right. "Blurb" now wikilinked. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

100 Sexiest Women winners

Cheryl Cole is known as simply "Cheryl" nowadays, so that should be revised
Also, Beyoncé Knowles is known as only "Beyoncé"
- In both these cases (and others), I've listed the top tens based on how the women were known at the time (e.g. Louise Nurding until 1998, Louise Redknapp onwards; Cheryl Tweedy until 2006, Cheryl Cole onwards). This is how the women were named in all the sources detailing that year's list. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Most Eligible Bachelorettes

Unlike the 100 Sexiest Women list, the list also considered → change "the list" to "this list" to make it clear which list we're talking about
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Link "sex appeal" to sexual attraction
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Link "Mischa Barton" and "Kimberly Stewart"
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anniversary lists

to mark the anniversary of the 100 Sexiest Women → plural, since there were two anniversaries
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
published a list of the 50 sexiest women → better wording: "published a list ranking the 50 sexiest women..."
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On learning the result, she remarked: "To win this award feels absolutely amazing. ... It's brilliant." → This winning reaction is not really relevant to the article and should be removed
- I dunno, I just felt that it provided some context to how the winner felt about receiving the honour, and therefore was somewhat relevant. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

You should link Jennifer Lopez and Chery here
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As previously stated, it should be "Cheryl" instead of "Cheryl Cole"
- Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@A Thousand Doors: These are my comments. The list is of a very good quality, and things I've noticed were often minorites. Best regards; Cartoon network freak (talk) 22:14, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you very much for the review, Cartoon network freak! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@A Thousand Doors: After my issues have been solved, I'm ready to support this list for promotion. Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:04, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:53, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

I don't like the frameless, captionless icon at the top of the page. It would be better to have the current holder of the title rather than the relatively meaningless icon.

How about both? The way I see it, the logo is free to use and is an easy way to identify the magazine, so we may as well make use of it while we have it available to us. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"annual listing compiled by the ... magazine FHM. The list is compiled by the magazine each year based" you've basically said the same thing twice.

Rewritten. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"...a 60 ft naked image of Gail Porter (pictured)..." -> "...a 60 ft (18 m) naked image of Gail Porter (pictured)..."

Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andreja Pejić appears to have an a and a diacritic.

This is obviously a very delicate issue. My thinking was guided by Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 121#MOS:IDENTITY clarification, which concluded that, outside of biographies, articles should default to the historic name and gender that the person was known by at the time. In 2011, Pejić was known as Andrej, hence why I've used that particular name there. Fixed the diacritic, though. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would have thought there was a very good argument for a fair use image of Porter projected on the Palace of Westminster...

Okay, I'll look into that and see if I can find an appropriate image. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:51, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Emmanuelle Beart has an accent.

Done

Jordan is piped to a redirect.

I've had a couple of people make this kind of comment, but I really don't see why it's such an issue. My reading of WP:NOPIPE is that piping to redirects is acceptable. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cheryl Tweedy/Cheryl Cole need to be piped consistently and correctly.

Same thinking as with Pejić – Tweedy/Cole was how the individual was known at the time. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Marissa Miller has just one s in her first name.

Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You could easily make the images larger since the 2 to 10 places make each row depth quite substantial.

Done

Daily Mail is not considered a WP:RS.

Replaced all except two references. I'll do a bit more research and come back to them. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 12:17, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for the review, The Rambling Man! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:12, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --Pres N 03:02, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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