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Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 7)

The most recent season of Degrassi: The Next Generation. I think this is up to scratch, so here we are. Part of the Seasons of Degrassi: The Next Generation Featured topic. All comments are welcome, and I'll address any that come up. Thank you, Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 08:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• "In the United States, it aired Fridays ..." - removed comma

•  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• "In total, sixteen episodes aired in the US before they did Canada" - removed comma

•  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• "figures for season seven were not been as high as previous" - reword (probably remove "been")

•  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• "As the adults in the series, Stefan Brogren" - remove comma

•  Done

• When you list cast or crew e.g. "as Marco Del Rossi, and" etc.- I don't think you need commas following the "and"

•  Not done Serial comma in use, common in North America Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• Quite right, I'm actually a little bit embarrassed I hadn't come across that before Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• Balanced opinion - you mention no bad reviews in the reception section

• I have tried to find something, but haven't. It was hard enough to find the two reviews I got for this season. I think the problem was that the season as a whole wasn't worthy of being reviewed - positively or negatively! I'll keep looking though. I'm sure when it has ended broadcast in the US, there will be a review or two. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• I haven't been able to find any negative reviews for the show. I really think this is because it was (according to fans) a rather lacklustre season, and so even TV reviewers couldn't be bothered with it. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• Are there any citations for when episode were aired out of order (as in 718 before 717 etc.)

• Each episode has the production code on the final screen of the end credits. I'll add a ref from tvguide.com for the US, and look around for Canada. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

•  Done ref added Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• Up for debate, are the specials warrenting such an extensive mention here since they are not part of the season per se. Maybe a quick mention and put detail either in a section in the main Degrassi: Next Gen page or in List of episodes.

• They are already mentioned in Degrassi: The Next Generation. They could be moved to List of Degrassi: The Next Generation episodes I guess. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• I'm in favour of moving to the List of the episodes. You can mention that they aired specials in the hiatus of the original run, but I wouldn't include their content here. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

•  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Good work overall. However I'm tired so may miss some things, or incorrectly point out things that are fine, so I will come back and take a more rigorous look at this tomorrow. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 23:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 02:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

More

• Table headings, all are left aligned exept title, shouldn't it be consistent. It's personal preference but I'd centre them all, however I'm just after consistency.
  •  Not done. This is to do with the formatting of {{episode list}} (and its sub-templates), not how I rendered it on the page. Take a look at any page using this template, and you'll see they're all this way. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
    • OK, I originally disagreed, and tried to fix it using code in this page. It works on the article page but messes up the translusion to List of episodes, so undid my edit. While there may be some complicated way to do it, it is beyond me and I will not persue it further or object on these grounds. Sorry, Rambo's Revenge (talk) 10:38, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
• "The Degrassi students return after the winter break to find it has merged with nearby". I'd make "it"→"the school".
  •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
• "Confidante" is feminine, I think you want the masculine "confidant"
  •  Done, good catch. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
• In Another brick in the wall - "some students are do not welcome" mistake fix with your preference of words
  •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
• In Ladies Night - "of love to Manny and give it to her with" gives
  •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
• "neighbour" → "neighbor" as using American English
  • Not in Canada ;) Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
• Not sure about this as I don't watch the show. Should it be "Graduation Party" or graduation party, is it an official event name?
  • I changed it to "Class of 2007 Graduation Party". I'm really not sure as it hasn't aired in the US yet, and the fansite is undergoing a refit so I can't download the ep either. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
• In We Built This City - "Things are going well, until her growing attraction with Damian leads to a kiss and are caught by Manny and Toby", should it be "they are" caught.
  •  Done - changed to ", which is..." Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:33, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
• Ref 9 has extra [[ ]] around the date.

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:44, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

comment Beter utility could be gained from Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 7) if the caption was to identify the characters as well as the programme Fasach Nua (talk) 15:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television/Style_guidelines#Image, which says "The image presented in the infobox should ideally be an intertitle shot of the show (i.e. A screenshot capture of the show's title) or a promotional poster used to represent the show itself. Failing that, a DVD cover may be used." I'll identify each character if you think I have to, but I think that's a bit too much information for an infobox (there's like 20 characters there). Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

• Regardless of the MoS, WP:NFCC needs to be met. You are right, a cast list is probably too much for the infobox, I would like to see the image used to identify the cast memebrs. It can be referenced from a different section, or indeed the image can be moved out of the infobox Fasach Nua (talk) 09:34, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

•  Not done at this time. The image is a screenshot of the intertitles. The TV MOS says this is what should be used in the infobox, or a poster or DVD cover. Season 7 isn't out on DVD, and there is no poster, so the intertitles it is. When it comes out on DVD, the image will be changed I expect. What part of NFCC does the image not meet? And if it were to be moved, what image should be in the infobox? I don't see the point of having 2 fair-use images in an article when only one would suffice. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• Comments
  • Infobox has capitalised "Season" for no good reason. And perhaps it should reflect the title of the list. Otherwise why the difference in terminology?
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "run" in infobox doesn't need spaces between the dates and the en-dash.
    •  Not done This is how it is rendered by the infobox, not by how I typed the information. Also, WP:DASH says "All disjunctive en dashes are unspaced, except when there is a space within either or both of the items". Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "rape, drugs, cancer, HIV, and relationships." - personal but I'd reorder to "relationships, drugs, cancer, rape and HIV" to kind of list it in order of likelihood I suppose.
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 21:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
  • " reviews for the season were of praise, rather than criticism." - reword. I'm positive not all reviews were of praise and, even then, some of the reviews offered criticism.
  • Cast section is bluelink overdose. Why link singer for example?
    •  Done Everything but actor and character names should now be unlinked. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email)
  • "in association CTV." with?
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "The Canadian Film or Video Production Tax Credit " - which one? What do you mean here?
    • That's the name. I guess it's a tax credit thing for Canadian film or video productions.
  • "to spiral down " - wee bit weasel/POV.
    •  Done. Changed to "to fall" Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "The winners will be announced on 4 August 2008." somewhat destablises the list...
    • Not much though. By August 5 it will say whether they won or lost. It's one sentence that needs to be fixed, not an entire section. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "episodes 5 October – 16 November 2007" why not English like " from 5 October to 16 November 2007"?
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "and went off air 9 May, and returned" - "and went off air 9 May, before returning..." (avoiding consecutive "and"s)?
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Special episode is linked twice in two sentences, and worse, to "very special episode" - special or very special? and avoid overlink.
    •  Done Changed to Television special, and completely removed the sentence where it appeared the second time. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "Halloween themed rap" - halloween-themed?
    •  Done
  • " PART ONE " capped for what reason? same with TWO.
    • Consistency with the other seasons. I'll change them all over the next couple of days. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "Too intoxicated to realize what she is doing, Darcy allows herself to be taken into a bedroom by an unknown rapist. " - checking realize = Canadian and secondly "by an unknown rapist" reads odd - perhaps "an unknown man who rapes her"?
    • Firefox spell check on Canadian says "realize",  Done the second. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "tries a little matchmaking " not particularly encycopaedic.
  •  Done "arranges a date for him"? Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
• I haven't got through the synopses yet, so this is a start...! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:55, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Even more

• What exactly is Ref 16 Degrassi: The Next Generation 100th episode citing. I failed to see anything in that article referencing any of the sentence it follows.
  •  Done -- removed. I'm not sure why it was there. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
• I have a major concern with Ref 10 - Degrassi: The Next Generation - Season 7. I expect you are using the cite video template to try and reference the end credits in all the episodes of the season, however as the DVD is not out it is not possible to WP:VERIFY.
  • No, but as the credits appear on the episodes, they are self-referential, aren't they? This just provides the reader the location of where to find them. They don't have to be a physical release, otherwise all those shows without DVD or VHS releases wouldn't be able to have articles. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
• I can't find any reference for the american episodes airing out of order.
  •  Done - reused Ref [4], TV Guide.com. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
• I feel the use of general reference Ellis is questionable.
  • The first instance [6] is saying which cast members return from the previous season. The general reference was published in late 2005 and if feel it is rather unlikely that the encyclopedia covers that the cast will return (in two years) for season 7.
    • No, but it covers which actors play which characters. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Similarly for [9].

I think alot of names could be better covered by this

I'll add that reference as well. Thank you. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• That ref also mentions iTunes.ca & CTV on demand, worth a mention?
  •  Done thank you for finding that. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
• For the episode & video, I would order the names "Surname, First" for consistency.
  • If I understood correctly,  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Rambo's Revenge (talk) 08:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for what you've done so far. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• Comments part deux
  • Still got those PART ONE in caps...
    •  Done. Oops. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Boring I know, but is realize vs acclimatise pure Canadian?
    • I'm not totally sure. Firefox's Canadian spell check red-lines "realise", and not "realize". It doesn't redline "acclimatise" or "acclimatize". I think Gary's Canadian, so I'll ask him to go over it for me. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "in another crushing blow" little bit extreme!
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "Ashley agrees but later removes his vocal track without him knowing" - lost track of which one his and him mean here.
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "drug induced" - hyphen? not sure.
    •  Done. I think so too, according to Tony's excersises. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "Marco begins to cling onto anyone" - a little too informal for me.
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • " she still can't cut" - avoid contractions.
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • balk vs baulk. Just checking!
    • Not sure. I'll ask Gary Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "leaning on Ashley for everything" what does this really mean?
    •  Done changed to "relying" Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • audition tape or audition DVD?
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Should Spring break be capitalised?
  • According to spring break, it isn't. Also because seasons aren't capitalised, I don't think this should be either. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "her baby daughter is weighing her down" again, a little informal - can we rephrase to mean exactly what you're saying?
    •  Done clarified and reworded
  • " but can't help feeling" contraction!
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "he medications constitute the HIV cocktail." needs rephrasing. Presumably you mean the retroviral medication mixture of drugs which constitutes treatment for HIV?
    •  Done I used what the show called it, but that sounds much better. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "who don't know him well, and believe there is no smoke without fire" - contraction and avoid colloquialisms - makes it difficult for non-native-English speakers.
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "Sean is being shipped of to Afghanistan" - off to.
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "if he can't bring himself to study" - contraction!
    •  Done Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • "The Class of 2007 graduates. " is an odd way to end the episode synopsis. Expand a touch?
• The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Thankyou. Everything here has been done, I think. Other than the spellings, that is. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 18:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
    • OK, according to Canadian English, British English is usually followed, "French-derived words that in American English end with -or and -er, such as color or center, usually retain British spellings" So I'm changing "neighbor" and "behavior" to "neighbour" and "behaviour". However, "Words such as realize and recognize are usually spelled with -ize rather than -ise." so "realize" and "acclimatize", not "realise" or "acclimatise". Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 00:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• Your explanation of Canadian English is sensible, as the British originally used -ize (and it is still preferred in OED). That aside just letting you know ref 6 is broken. I couldn't fix it because I didn't know what was meant to be there. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 09:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks. It was cause I was using ref name, except I capitalised the name by accident. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 16:09, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments

• A few things I picked up as I skimmed the first few bits:
  • In the lead, "episodes were made available for free streaming on CTV's website,[6] and registered users of the Canadian and U.S. iTunes Stores" - you could replace the bolded "and" with a semi-colon. Personal choice, really, cause I just think two ands within the span of seven words is a bit close. Your call.
  • Shouldn't mentions of Degrassi on its own (when referring to the series) be italicized?
  • "The season was also nominated for a Teen Choice Award, in the "Choice TV: Comedy" category." Comma not really needed. Pandacomics (talk) 15:27, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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