Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Backstreet Boys discography

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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 17:35, 1 August 2012 [1].

Backstreet Boys discography

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Nominator(s): KingdomHearts25 (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have addressed the comments in the previous FLC and I think the article is now ready for FL status. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am confused that you abbreviate "Billboard 200" to "BB", while the singles chart to "US". I think this should be changed. Otherwise an excellent list. Regards.--GoP _T ^C _N 09:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find "Billboard 200" abbreviated to "BB" anywhere. Can you please tell me where it is? KingdomHearts25 (talk) 16:55, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. The US looked like "BB" on my screen. I am now supporting. Regards.--GoP _T ^C _N 12:11, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 19:40, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:53, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quick comments

" A.J. McLean" -> "A. J. McLean".
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is it "Backstreet Boys" or "the Backstreet Boys"?
- Their official name is "Backstreet Boys" but since they're 'boys', a 'the' should come before. eg. If you're talking about a particular group of boys who have died, you don't say, "Boys are dead". You say, "the boys are dead". KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"entered the top-ten " don't think that needs to be hyphenated.
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Would link "certified" in the lead.
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"It sold over 30 million copies internationally.[10][11][12]" do you need three cites for one fact?
- Done. Removed the other refs. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"As of 2010..." it's mid-2012, any chance of an update?
- Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any update. I could remove "As of 2010" though. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Remove spaces between text and cites/notes.
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk)
"Cassette" doesn't need to be capitalised, and I thought MiniDisc was one word.
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"US: 13× Platinum[40] (Diamond)" you probably should explain this.
- Done. Removed 'Diamond' KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
""—" denotes items which were not released in that country or failed to chart." this note only appears in one table, mid-way through the article.
- Done. Added the notes to the other tables. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Certifications in the Singles table are bullet pointed, those in the Home videos section are not bullet pointed. Would be consistent.
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Alan Calzatti [85]" and "Ray Kay [102]" etc etc etc, remove the space between the text and the cite.
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Avoid SHOUTING in the refs.
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Check for publication dates on your refs, e.g. BBC refs usually have publication dates like ref 12 (15 Feb 2000).
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Avoid spaced hyphens or em-dashes in the ref titles, use unspaced en-dashes where appropriate.
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 18:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 09:06, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 21:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

A link to SoundScan would be helpful to provide the reader with some context
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 10:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Home and Music videos tables do no meet MOS:DTT and will need to be formatted the same way the previous tables are
- Done but I have to say that the Home video section looks a bit awkward with the new change and I don't see the same thing being implemented on most other discographies eg. Spice Girls discography and Lady Gaga discography. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 10:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This hasn't been done, I see no col or row scopes in either table. I've asked of every discography I've reviewed recently, so just because two lists don't adhere to this doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Maybe you misinterpreted what i meant, but the table should match the format of the ones before, currently they don't. Have a look at Kelly Rowland discography to see the way it should be formatted. NapHit (talk) 13:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I completely misunderstood you. Is it correct now? However the "Years" column in the music video section is different than in the rest of the discography in the Kelly Rowland discography, and now in the Backstreet Boys discography. Should I change it? KingdomHearts25 (talk) 15:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed the table, I removed the year column as it was redundant due to the year being mentioned with the release details. NapHit (talk) 21:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ref 7 needs date of publication.
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 10:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
date on ref 15 is actually January 4 2000, not 2001.
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 10:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
ref 22 needs date of publication and author adding.
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 10:51, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 17:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support NapHit (talk) 21:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 18:39, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

"and Kevin Richardson. Richardson...". I never like to see blatant repetition like this from one sentence to the next. See if you can separate the two Richardsons a bit.
- Done KingdomHearts25 (talk) 17:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Alt text for the photo would be nice.
- Done KingdomHearts25 (talk) 17:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Music videos: The Director column is sorting by first name, instead of the more customary and preferable last name.
- Done KingdomHearts25 (talk) 17:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
What makes PerezHilton.com (ref 2) a reliable source? Can we find a better source for Kevin Richardson rejoining the group than a gossip site like this?
- Done. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 17:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Refs 7 and 9 are supposedly to Nielsen Soundscan, but neither goes to a Nielsen website page. Instead, ref 7 is to a personal website (not reliable) and ref 9 is to backstreet.net (unreliable if it isn't the group's official site, which I don't think it is).
- Done Changed the information a bit, and replaced the source. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 17:24, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Refs 26, 43, 49, and 52 have hyphens in their titles that should be dashes instead.
- Done KingdomHearts25 (talk) 11:23, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Is a page number possible for ref 57?
- Done

KingdomHearts25 (talk) 17:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC) Giants2008 (Talk) 23:43, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The only other thing I noticed is that ref 38 has a couple of improper hyphens in the title, which should be en dashes. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:39, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Done KingdomHearts25 (talk) 06:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 07:31, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Sufur222

No Austrian certifications? There are many here.
No Swedish certifications? There are many here, here, here and here.
No Swiss certifications? There are many here.

There are already certifications for seven different countries and I don't see the need to add three more, especially given that the aforementioned countries are not major markets, unless there is a rule that says that there have to be certifications for ten different countries, in which case I'll add them. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 17:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Although nothing says you have to list these certifications, it is generally common practice that you list all of the certifications available for the countries you use in the discography. Also, what do you mean by "major market"? Surely they all are. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:55, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Swedish certifications are a bit confusing, do you mind if I put Finnish or Dutch certs? (there are already three IFPIs) KingdomHearts25 (talk) 19:25, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it is difficult to search certifications on those pages, as they're very lengthy. However, as long as you use the correct distinguishing letters for each IFPI cert (IFPI SWI for Switzerland, etc.) then there is no limit on the number of IFPIs that can appear in one table – like I said, all the certs possible for the countries in the table should be used. If you like, I can add the Swedish certs in myself. Also:

Finnish certification link here.
The link to the Dutch certification database gives no certifications for the Backstreet Boys (their proper database has been down for ages). If you cannot find a replacement link, you should remove these certifications as they are thus unverifiable.
To avoid confusion, European certifications should be listed as "IFPI EUR" instead of just "IFPI", otherwise it is unclear where the certification is for.
For some of these albums and songs, New Zealand certifications can be found at rianz.org.nz/rianz/oldchart.asp?chartNum=xxxx&chartKind=x (replace x's where appropriate). However, as these are quite complicated to search for, I can put these in too if you want.I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 08:00, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate it if you can put the Swedish and the NZ certifications KingdomHearts25 (talk) 10:17, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done, and added the Finnish ones (and fixed the European ones) for good measure. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 15:06, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but are you sure it's EUR and not EU? KingdomHearts25 (talk) 15:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Annoyingly, there's nothing at WP:DISCOGSTYLE on this one. As all of the other IFPIs are abbreviated to three letters, I would stick with EUR. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 17:33, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Done in any case, Dutch certs have been removed and the others added, with your help, of course. KingdomHearts25 (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need all of the empty cells in the Live albums table. Just use the ones for the countries necessary.
- Done KingdomHearts25 (talk) 17:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:DISCOGSTYLE, the certification providers should be listed in the certification columns, not the countries (for example, "US" becomes RIAA). See WP:DISCOGSTYLE#Listing certifications for a list of certification providers and further information on making changes.
- Done KingdomHearts25 (talk) 17:23, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If these things are fixed, I will have no reservations supporting. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 15:40, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- - Everything fixed, so supporting. I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 07:31, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support Now looks very good. Well done! I Am Rufus • Conversation is a beautiful thing. 07:31, 29 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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