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The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 06:02, 31 July 2009 [1].

BAFTA Academy Fellowship Award

Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 17:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Featured list candidates/BAFTA Academy Fellowship Award/archive1

Another award list. It's as well cited as I can find without tomes of television/film paper-based references. It's illustrated, factually accurate and a lot better looking (and ten times bigger than) when I first found it. Interested to see what folks think of the format and the references. I'll do the usual, i.e. work 24/7/365 to address concerns raised. Much love to you, FL community.... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

General

Dabs and external links check out fine with the checker tools.

Lead

The Academy Fellowship is an award given out by the British Academy of Film and Television Arts (BAFTA) since 1971 "in recognition of outstanding achievement in the art forms of the moving image", and is regarded the most prestigious of the BAFTA awards given to individuals. -- 1)The bold title should be the title of the article, and Academy Fellowship*** is not the title. 2)+as before the most
- Reprhased. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is The Fellowship an official shortening of the full name of the award?
- Reworded to avoid this. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The only person to have been awarded the Fellowship award posthumously is Stanley Kubrick who was made a fellow in 2000, having died the previous year. -- Comma after Stanley Kubrick
- Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Four new fellows were created at the most recent ceremony in 2009; comedy actress duet Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders, Python and director Terry Gilliam and Nolan Bushnell, the founder of Atari Inc. -- 1)created? Is that the official way to state that? (I've never heard of it)
- Reworded. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why not state in the lead something about the nationalities, like the most fellows from a certain country.--Tru co ₅₀₃ 17:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That's borderline trivia in my opinion. The significance is the fellow and their form of work mainly. But we'll see if anyone else thinks that their nationality is relevant. Thanks for your comments. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well if that's so, then what's the point of even mentioning the nationalities in the table?--Tru co ₅₀₃ 01:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's additional information. I just don't believe that number of British or French or whatever winners is particularly notable, especially not for inclusion in the lead. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just thought a small note saying the vast majority of them were from the UK wouldn't hurt, but its your call.--Tru co ₅₀₃ 19:18, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list now meets WP:WIAFL.

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

* Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Dabs done dude. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

"is an award given out by the" "given out" seems loose. Perhaps "presented by"?
- Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"but a number of Fellowships"-->but several Fellowships (less words is more)
- Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"who was made a fellow in 2000, having died the previous year" This reads as if he was made a fellow because he died the previous year
- Rephrased, but perhaps not exactly much better? Suggestion? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Four new fellows were awarded at the most recent ceremony in 2009;" Semicolon instead of comma.
- There was a semicolon there already - do you mean between the fellows? Added. If not that, could you clarify please? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sorry, I meant colon instead of semicolon... Dabomb87 (talk) 15:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Would be nice if the em dashes in the table were centered.
- The {{sort}} template I have to use for the colspanned fellow's image column precludes the use of further style coding (unless you know any better?) - I could always split the fellow column into Image and Fellow if you really insisted? The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Voila. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - Awesome, live and learn. Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In the infobox, "In recognition..." is not a complete sentence and should not have a period at the end.
- I have removed the full stop.

Dabomb87 (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:42, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~Spell out BAFTA in the publishers.~~ Dabomb87 (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Spelt out, I think. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments/Questions Why does this award not included in the {{BAFTA Film Awards Chron}} template? Also, based on that template, the 2009 BAFTA ceremony hasn't been staged yet. Could you help me figure this out? Oh, and one more thing, why is there the word "Academy" in the title? Shouldn't this page be named "BAFTA Fellowship Award"?--Crzy cheetah 23:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not a BAFTA Film Award, so that's why it isn't included in the template. BAFTA themselves continually refer to the award as the "Academy Fellowship", not just a "Fellowship" (http://www.bafta.org/awards/academy-fellows,125,BA.html, http://www.bafta.org/awards/film/fellow-in-2009,668,BA.html, http://www.bafta.org/awards/television/french-saunders,762,BA.html). As for the timing of the awards, it depends on whether the Fellows are in the world of Television, Film, Video games etc, as fellowships are awarded at the respective ceremonies. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - None of your links state "BAFTA Academy Fellowship Award". What I'm trying to say is that the word "Academy" becomes redundant when you use it along with BAFTA. BBC and Telegraph state "BAFTA Fellowship".--Crzy cheetah 16:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - No, but the links are from BAFTA and they state Academy Fellowship, not just Fellowship. I completely understand what you're saying, obviously. BBC and BBC II and BBC III and BBC IV and Telegraph and Guardian state "BAFTA Academy Fellowship". So really it's up for grabs. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - OK. It's an example of RAS syndrome then.--Crzy cheetah 02:33, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support

Resolved comments from MPJ-DK

Bear with me as I'm not the most seasoned reviewer but after been taken through the wringer of FLc reviews for some months now I think I got the hand of it and the criterias and it's time to give back.
- Bearing with! Always nice to receive comments with fresh eyes. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

~~"Nationality" and say "Austria" does not match, the nationality would be "Austrian", if it has said something like "country" or the likes then it makes sense.~~
- Changed to make the column heading more appropriate. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's an extremly short lead, considering that this is the main article on the subject I would have thought there would be a little more?
- Even BAFTA themselves are a little light on discussing the award on their official website. I'll see what I can do. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Out of "actors, film and television producers, cinematographers, film editors and screenwriters" what group does the founder of Atari fall into??~~
- Video games now noted in the lead. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Spell out "Monty Python", the term "Python" is not very clear especially since it's a common term for something else as well.
- Well, the original prose needed it to be that he was "... a Python ..." and clearly " ... a Monty Python ..." wouldn't have worked, which is why I wikilinked Python (and also had it capitalised) to avoid too much confusion with him being a scaly floor dweller. Anyway, I've tried a rephrase now so hopefully it'll meet your expectations. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - Erm... does it still say "Python" or is it just me? MPJ-DK (talk) 15:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - How about "Member of Monty Python"? MPJ-DK (talk) 16:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Obviously neglected to press Save page... gah. Done now. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not a lot of problems, that's why it's not an oppose at the moment and could quickly become a support. MPJ-DK (talk) 13:49, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll see what I can do about the lead, but thusfar, thanks for your comments. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I just wanted to be sure that you've really gotten all there is to get, I don't want to see it turn into trivialities etc, so I'm okay with the length. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:45, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm satisfied this is a Featured List, support. MPJ-DK (talk) 21:52, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Jpeeling (talk · contribs)

You need to revise the sentence on Stanley Kubrick being the only posthumous award winner, Morecambe and Wise had both died at the time of their award. Ref 4 is pretty poor, a ref in that position would ideally back up Kubrick being the only winner (or perhaps not given the above), if that's not possible at least a ref (currently number 25) stating he won the award posthumously. Currently the ref is his obituary which only backs up that he died in 1999 which isn't a contentious bit of information.
- M&W added. Kubrick in lead better reffed. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Michael Grade needs a new ref, that source only states Bill Cotton's award.
- Used official. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The refs for Alec Guinness and John Schlesinger may need to be changed, currently they give the wrong year for which they won the award.
- Used official. Those Variety magazine links turned out to be really duff. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

--Jpeeling (talk) 23:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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