Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/1924 Winter Olympics medal table/archive1

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The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 23:30, 29 October 2017 (UTC) [1].[reply]

1924 Winter Olympics medal table

Featured list candidates/1924 Winter Olympics medal table/archive1

Nominator(s): Harrias ^talk 11:34, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I present the medal table from the first Winter Olympics. The table is modelled off similar such lists from other games. Harrias ^talk 11:34, 13 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Drive By Comment: I would add something about Anders Haugen's bronze medal not being awarded until 50 years later due to a scoring error in the lede as well. See his obituary from the NY Times as one potential source. Ravendrop 01:30, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ravendrop, I have incorporated that information now. Harrias ^talk 13:25, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Overall, a very well-written list. I have a couple of minor comments to make:

In the first paragraph when it says "were a winter multi-sport event...", shouldn't it be "was a winter multi-sport event" because the article is talking about a singular event (the 1924 Winter Olympics)? Correct if me I'm wrong.
Change the last sentence of the second paragraph to "After Haug died in 1934, his daughter presented Haugen, aged 83, with his medal". It just flows better in my opinion because on first read, I got a bit lost.

Again, this is a really good list and definitely deserving of FL status. The points above are very minor, but I believe it would make the list even better. Also, if you wouldn't mind looking at one of my two FLCs (List of Metra stations and List of New England Patriots starting quarterbacks), that would be much appreciated. Cheers, Sportsguy17 (T • C) 20:09, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sportsguy17: Your suggested second change gave the wrong impression; I've changed it to "As Haug had died in 1934, his daughter presented Haugen, aged 83, with his medal." I favoured this because the presentation was made in 1974, and your suggestion might have implied it was in or around 1934. Agree with the first change though, which I've done. Will take a look at your noms. Harrias ^talk 08:50, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I can't see any issues -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:03, 24 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:30, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

30em.

Done. Harrias ^talk 09:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"International Olympic Committee - Chamonix 1924 Medal Table" en-dash, not spaced hyphen.

Done. Harrias ^talk 09:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

New York Times is The New York Times.

Done. Harrias ^talk 09:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:58, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Just looked at that Sports Ref reference to work out how on earth 115 athletes received medals (with only 49 given out)...
... just to discover that while the lead currently says "A total of 258 athletes from 16 nations participated in 16 events across 9 sports.[1]", Sports ref says "313 (300 men and 13 women) from 19 countries" and "17 events" in "10 sports". It lists 115 medal winners and includes a reference to a "mixed team". I suggest this is at the very least noted and explained... My guess is that it's down to this so that could be used to explain things.

I need to untangle this a bit more, but thanks for spotting it! Harrias ^talk 09:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm leaning towards withdrawing this nomination. From what I can tell, you're absolutely right, but I can't find sufficient sources to back this up for featured content. It would be pretty much WP:SYNTH at this stage. I'm going to keep looking for a bit; hopefully I can find a book in the library that gives a bit more detail, I'll try and pop in there next week. Harrias ^talk 12:21, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, no worries, sorry to have blown a hole in the nom... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:19, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I've gone for a very different approach; let me know what you think. Harrias ^talk 09:37, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's great. I really like it when we find something like this which is a little bit unusual but cover it nicely with a number of angles. It gets my support but I would think that such a radical overhaul would require a polite nudge of those who reviewed before me, just to check they're satisfied with the new approach. Good work, much applause. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:50, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sportsguy17 and ChrisTheDude: As noted here, I've made a reasonably significant change, and would appreciate if you could confirm whether you're happy with the changes made. Harrias ^talk 21:07, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Ianblair23 (talk) 21:57, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

:Hi Harrias, please find my comments below:

Lead

was a winter multi-sport event link winter sport
Norway topped the table link Norway at the 1924 Winter Olympics
by Thorleif Haug in the nordic combined and cross-country skiing events sharper links to Nordic combined at the 1924 Winter Olympics and Cross-country skiing at the 1924 Winter Olympics
winning all three medals in both the 50 km cross-country skiing link Cross-country skiing at the 1924 Winter Olympics – Men's 50 km
This remained a record at the Winter Olympics until 2014 link 2014 Winter Olympics
Finland placed second on the table link Finland at the 1924 Winter Olympics
achieving a medal in each of the speed skating events he took part in sharper link to Speed skating at the 1924 Winter Olympics
with only Belgium and the hosts, France add links to France at the 1924 Winter Olympics and Belgium at the 1924 Winter Olympics
Thorleif Haug of Norway had been awarded the bronze medal in the ski jumping sharper link to Ski jumping at the 1924 Winter Olympics
and an American add link to United States at the 1924 Winter Olympics
Due to this, Czechoslovakia were included in the table link Czechoslovakia at the 1924 Winter Olympics
Italy were also present link Italy at the 1924 Winter Olympics

All done. Harrias ^talk 08:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Images

WP:Alt text is required for the two images
First caption – Publicity poster for the tournament change tournament to event
Second caption – Clas Thunberg won five speed skating medals at the games for Finland sharper link to Speed skating at the 1924 Winter Olympics and add link to Finland at the 1924 Winter Olympics

All done. Harrias ^talk 08:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Medal table

Use {{RankedMedalTable}}

Not done; that template does not feature row scopes, and so is not MOS compliant. Harrias ^talk 08:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Good pick up! I have fixed the template and added to the list. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 13:07, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

No country achieved more than two podium sweeps until the Netherlands in 2014, but the record was tied prior to that; by Norway themselves in 1928 and 1932, the Soviet Union in 1964, East Germany in 1972 and 1984, and Germany in 1998. move ref 4 to here and link the medal winner lists for 2014, 1928, 1932, 1964, 1972, 1984 and 1998

Done. Harrias ^talk 08:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

General ref – Never been a real fan of "general references" and this link is redirecting to https://www.olympic.org/olympic-games. Found this link archived from 4 December 2008. Suggest removal altogether or turn this into an inline citation
Ref 1 – add archive link and archive date=25 August 2017
Ref 2 – add archive link and archive date=1 October 2017
Ref 3 – add dead-url=yes
Ref 4 – add archive link and archive date=25 August 2017
Ref 5 – link Sports Reference, add archive link and archive date=25 August 2017
Ref 6 – link Scarecrow Press
Ref 7 – add link to page 662 of the report
Ref 8 – correct link to Norsk biografisk leksikon, link Kunnskapsforlaget, add archive link and archive date=21 September 2017.
Ref 9 – add archive link and archive date=21 September 2017
Ref 10 – add agency=AP, accessdate=22 October 2017, archive link and archive date=19 October 2017
Ref 11 – add link to page 661 of the report
Ref 12 – add archive link and archive date=25 August 2017

Done all but the archiving of live links – I can't see an MOS requirement for it, and in my opinion, reference sections tend to get overly messy when using them. Unless there is a pressing reason for this to be done, I don't plan on archiving working links. Harrias ^talk 08:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's not strictly a FL requirement but in order to prevent WP:LINKROT we are encouraged to add archived links to references. – Ianblair23 (talk) 13:07, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I let the IABot do this for me. It might not match up exactly with what you've put above, but it's a damn sight easier! Harrias ^talk 13:12, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 06:59, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Ianblair23: thanks for the review; most done, have responded to each section above. Harrias ^talk 08:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Another excellent job Harrias! I really enjoyed reading and reviewing the list. Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 22:00, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:02, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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