Wikipedia:Featured article review/El Hatillo Municipality/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was delisted by Nikkimaria via FACBot (talk) 6:12, 5 December 2020 (UTC) [1].

El Hatillo Municipality

Notified: WP Venezuela, WP Cities, talk page nom 2020-11-02

Review section

I am sadly nominating this 2007 featured article for review because its main editor, Enano275 has been gone since 2007 and the article has not been maintained current. I helped Enano bring the article to FA status and am the only other significant editor, other than Tony1, who did some copyediting at my request.

I suggest we can fast track this nomination, and recommend one week FAR and one week FARC, just in case someone does decide to take it on. The article is actually in much worse shape than is suggested by just looking at it, because post-Maduro Venezuela is not even remotely the same country it was in 2006, and the article would need a complete rewrite to reflect current reality. To my knowledge, there are no Venezuelan editors likely to undertake such a complete revamping. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:44, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jamez42, Wilfredor, and ReyHahn: in case. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:45, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@SandyGeorgia: I was reading the article and I could not contain my bittersweet laugh, unfortunately the article is very far from the reality of the municipality. I tried to correct a few things, but it looks like a hoax tourist brochure. Wilfredor (talk) 21:25, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So much change in only 15 years :/. But we would need to cite your accurate changes to reliable sources, which are hard to come by with press restrictions. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:44, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is an almost impossible task. In Venezuela there are no free or independent media to the regime because everything goes through the review of the dictatorship. Some newspapers have been taken from their owners by the government, but keeping the same name to confuse the population. If you control the media then the truth does not come out, even within the same country people do not find out what is happening in a neighboring city due to the avalanche of false information on social and formal media. Some media begin to tell the truth but then they change and begin to soften their content very slowly and the population does not perceive it. In Wikipedia in Spanish we have a very difficult job because there is practically no negative reference to the regime, while there are hundreds of pseudo-informative pages telling the "right" history. Finally, I have no problem with reverting my changes until someday sources are found, for now the article will still look like a joke Wilfredor (talk) 05:40, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am not going to be the one to revert the uncited truth in this particular article ;) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:35, 22 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I had already reversed myself :p Wilfredor (talk) 17:40, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I don't know a whole lot about Venezuela, but statement in the lead that "The municipality receives a part of its income from tourism, an activity that is promoted by the government" cited to a 2004 source is instantly a red flag for me, as tourism in Venezuela has taken some big hits since 2004. Hog Farm _Bacon 18:11, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly the kind of problem encountered throughout ... the gringos, Canadians and Germans used to flock to El Hatillo :( :( SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:23, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have to agree. I'd be willing to help improve it, but I don't have the time nor expertise on El Hatillo to do the bulk work. A few months ago I tried to clean up the article on Caracas, the capital, and to say finding reliable recent sources is hard is an understatement. Kingsif (talk) 06:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MOVE to FARC, accelerated ?? @FAR coordinators: SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:23, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move to farc no hope of saving this article given lack of hqrs. Femke Nijsse (talk) 17:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move to FARC - Sadly, I think this one is a goner. Hog Farm _Bacon 17:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

FARC section

Issues raised in the review section largely concern currency. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:18, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delist the article does not reflect the current reality of the country and editors knowledgeable about Venezuela have already remarked upon the difficulty in updating the article using RSs. Nothing much to do here, unfortunately. RetiredDuke (talk) 16:42, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delist Based on the comments from editors familiar with Venezuela, I think this one is a goner. Hog Farm _Bacon 18:00, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delist, support speedy as no one is going to pick this up. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delist support speedy. Femke Nijsse (talk) 11:26, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Closing note: This removal candidate has been delisted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please leave the {{featured article review}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:12, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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