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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 11 October 2022 [1].

Village Green (song)

Nominator(s): Tkbrett (✉) 15:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about a song by the English rock band the Kinks. Ray Davies, the band's principal songwriter, wrote it in August 1966 after feeling disappointed that beer was being served in metal kegs instead of wooden barrels. After the Kinks recorded it, he hoarded the song while figuring out what to do with it. It wasn't until November 1968 that it saw release on The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society, an album which spawned from the song's central themes. Tkbrett (✉) 15:08, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from PMC

Support from me on prose and content, following the in-depth FAC-style GAN review I just completed. Since I'm here, I may as well pitch in an image review and get that over with.

Single cover - license correct, NFCC rationale appropriate, no concerns
Devon image - free Flickr license checks out, no indication of Flickrwashing
Harpsichord - On review, I'm not sure if the uploader can legitimately release this image on a CC license. The uploader is or was indeed an employee of the college. However, the image appears to have been taken no later than 2000, based on the publication details in the catalogue it was originally published in. There are no credits in the catalogue that I can find, and it does say that the catalogue is copyrighted to the RCM. I think there would need to be a VTRS ticket from the college confirming release before we can safely accept this. It may be easier just to replace it with another harpsichord image, unless you want to go to the trouble of emailing the college to ask them to release it over VTRS. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:13, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's too bad. I scoured the Commons and found a couple candidates. I've switched it to this image from the Met which is definitely PD. Tkbrett (✉) 19:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for your support! Tkbrett (✉) 19:44, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, happy to support since I suggested it in the first place! For the purposes of the image review, the replacement image checks out as validly free. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:02, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Sammi Brie

This is my first-ever FAC content review (two image reviews precede this), and I do intend on claiming it for WikiCup points. Other editors are invited to critique the review. Ping to Tkbrett.

Alt text: The newly added harpsichord image and album art do need alt text.
- Added.
MOS:'S: Pye Records' should be Pye Records's.
- Fixed.
The tracks for Something Else done in late 1966 went unused and the band reconvened at Pye in early 1967 to re-record several songs. A comma is needed after "unused", as the "and" links what could be two separate sentences. User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences
- Added.
The Kinks' long-time producer Shel Talmy produced The name is an appositive—i.e. it could be theoretically removed without causing damage to the sentence—and should be set off with commas.
- Done.
The song employs a fifth-cyclic sequence and a descending chromatic chorus, something musicologist Allan F. Moore writes evokes the music of Baroque composer George Frideric Handel, a relationship he thinks is further emphasised by the presence of a harpsichord. I wonder if the first comma should be a dash instead. The hierarchy of ideas in the sentence is a bit muddled with two commas.
- Changed to a dash. I also tweaked the sentence after the comma in light of this change.
of a distance time and place — "distant", perhaps?
- Yes, fixed.
The community's value no longer consists in its original purpose, but is instead photographed by American tourists as a symbol of a past England. Conversely, there is no subject after the conjunction, so this comma should be removed.
- Fixed.
...to F. Scott Fitzgerald's 1925 novel, The Great Gatsby, a relationship The novel title should not be in an appositive. If you remove it, you get "F. Scott Fitzgerald's 1925 novel". A reader is left to wonder, "What novel?"
- Fixed.
In his September 1968 preview of Village Green for New Musical Express magazine, critic Keith Altham wrote that "Village Green" is "full of the sound of country fetes, maypoles and garden parties", the song's string section written for music enthusiasts while its sad story is for those who prefer lyrics. I wonder if the second comma should be a semicolon and then everything after a sentence. Something like In his September 1968 preview of Village Green for New Musical Express magazine, critic Keith Altham wrote that "Village Green" is "full of the sound of country fetes, maypoles and garden parties"; the song's string section is written for music enthusiasts, while its sad story is for those who prefer lyrics.
- Done.
describing it as "beating heart of the album" missing article
- Fixed.

I have no further concerns, and when the copy changes are made and remaining alt text integrated, I will support. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:16, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Sammi Brie for the thorough review. I discovered that handy comma guide on your userpage which should make things quicker the next time around! Tkbrett (✉) 11:57, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Changing to a support. Great work. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 00:13, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Images are appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nikkimaria, out of curiosity, did you have a concern with my image review not being sufficient? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:47, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi PMC, nope - just missed it since it wasn't bolded. Oops. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:49, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something for it :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:55, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from ChrisTheDude

Support - I made a few little tweaks but that's all I got! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:18, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support on prose from Ippantekina

I would like to see some details on the band's "unprofessional" behaviours that led to them being banned.
- It's somewhat vague. I'm not sure if it's a legal thing, but even in interviews from the last decade Davies obfuscates his answers. I've included some of the possible explanations. If you think the note is too long, I can probably cut it down to something simpler.
  - The note explains it well for me. I'm not sure if others may take issue with the length, but it is appropriate imo. Ippantekina (talk) 01:58, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - Ippantekina, I was a little unsatisfied with the way it was written, so I added a quotation from Davies that simplifies the complexities. Tkbrett (✉) 01:48, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      I agree that it reads nicer. Ippantekina (talk) 06:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am unsure if the red link to the Kinks' 1969 North American tour is helpful, unless a draft is under construction.
- I've got a draft in the works, though it may be a while.
Other than that the article is in great shape! Ippantekina (talk) 15:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks very much Ippantekina. Tkbrett (✉) 16:20, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you for addressing my comments. If you have some spare time, I'd appreciate if you could take a look at my current FAC for Our Song (Taylor Swift song). Cheers, Ippantekina (talk) 01:58, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from zmbro

There's a severe lack of websites ( ;-) ) but overall great article. Happy to support. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 00:25, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Sources are all reliable, links all work.

MacDonald (2007) is missing a location.
FN 63 should be "pp. 118, 121", not "p. 118, 121".
Optional, but I notice you're inconsistent about using ISBN 13 vs ISBN 10. There's no actual requirement to be consistent, but some people prefer it; there's a convert here if you want to convert the three ISBN 10s you have.

That's everything I can see. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 02:19, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Mike Christie. I fixed the fn 63 and converted everything to ISBN 13. Regarding MacDonald 2007, I omitted the location due to advice I received in the past to not include it when it's obvious – in this case, the Chicago Review Press being in Chicago. Is there any guidance regarding this in the MOS? Thanks. Tkbrett (✉) 11:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The requirement is just consistency, so since you're consistently applying a rule that's fine. Source review is a pass. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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