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- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was not promoted by Laser brain 15:51, 4 March 2011 [1].
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- Nominator(s): --WillC 09:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am nominating this for featured article because... I feel it is the best article I've written yet and would like to see it become a Featured Article. All comments are welcomed.--WillC 09:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Neutral
- Needs copy-editing for grammar, clarity and flow - for example, "The main event for the TNA World Heavyweight Championship between the champion, Sting, and the challenger, A.J. Styles, was the main event"
- Mistake of my own during my copyedit yesterday. Fixed--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, but that was only an example - still needs copy-editing.
- Alright, well I'll look through it and see if I see anything that needs fixing. I'll try to get someone else to look at it as well.--WillC 23:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, I've copyedited the article again and someone else has or is at the moment.--WillC 05:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, well I'll look through it and see if I see anything that needs fixing. I'll try to get someone else to look at it as well.--WillC 23:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, but that was only an example - still needs copy-editing.
- Mistake of my own during my copyedit yesterday. Fixed--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Multiple MoS fixes needed - for example, some missing hyphens, The Sun should be italicized throughout, etc
- I haven't wrote an article in around a year. Forgot some of the MOS. This one is fixed.--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- "It was the fourth event under the Turning Point chronology" - you never explain what this means. Is Turning Point a series? A tournament? The article as a whole seems to assume at least some knowledge of TNA on the part of the reader
- I would feel it is common sense regrading this is an event, that it would be a series. Like talking about "Super Bowl XLV", you wouldn't expect them to have to explain that the Super Bowl is a list of events. And plus that statement pretty much explains that it is a series. It is also hyper-linked for more information.--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe, but surely you wouldn't expect to see "Super Bowl XLV was the forty-fifth event under the Super Bowl chronology"?
- Well that would be a different story. It is obvious by the title there, but not here.
- You're right, it's not obvious here - which is why you need to explain things so that people who don't know a lot about TNA can follow the article.
- It is explained here. I really don't see how it isn't. "It was the fourth event under the Turning Point chronology and first event under the name to take place in November." pretty much explains it is the fourth event in a series of events. What else could it mean?--WillC 23:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- You're right, it's not obvious here - which is why you need to explain things so that people who don't know a lot about TNA can follow the article.
- Well that would be a different story. It is obvious by the title there, but not here.
- Maybe, but surely you wouldn't expect to see "Super Bowl XLV was the forty-fifth event under the Super Bowl chronology"?
- I would feel it is common sense regrading this is an event, that it would be a series. Like talking about "Super Bowl XLV", you wouldn't expect them to have to explain that the Super Bowl is a list of events. And plus that statement pretty much explains that it is a series. It is also hyper-linked for more information.--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't link terms in See also that are already linked in the article body. In general, see WP:OVERLINK
- Only two areas where professional wrestling is linked. One in the lead and one in the see also secton. Point out any other overlinks and I'll fix them.--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Professional wrestling isn't in the see also section. However, Turning Point is. Overlinks include: legit, English language, Spanish language, ring announcer among others.
- I meant pro wrestling was in the see also template. I must have not been paying attention when I wrote that. Fixed all the overlinks I could find. There were none for the English and Spanish. Now as for the table. According to overlink, tables are exceptions to the rule.--WillC 21:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I know that, and I wasn't looking at the table. English and Spanish are linked in "Event".
- Not anymore, got those fixed long ago, before I even knew about the comment.--WillC 23:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I know that, and I wasn't looking at the table. English and Spanish are linked in "Event".
- I meant pro wrestling was in the see also template. I must have not been paying attention when I wrote that. Fixed all the overlinks I could find. There were none for the English and Spanish. Now as for the table. According to overlink, tables are exceptions to the rule.--WillC 21:42, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Professional wrestling isn't in the see also section. However, Turning Point is. Overlinks include: legit, English language, Spanish language, ring announcer among others.
- Only two areas where professional wrestling is linked. One in the lead and one in the see also secton. Point out any other overlinks and I'll fix them.--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- "Ten year Army veteran Sean M. Autrey served as the special guest ring announcer for the encounter" - source?
- Number 24 covers that statement. Alot of the sources cover more than one sentence.--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Doesn't support "ten year Army veteran" or "special guest ring announcer".
- Well the ring announcer part is obvious, but I changed sources to fix that. The 10 year apart was announced during the show, refs don't say that, so changed it to retired like is mentioned.
- Doesn't support "ten year Army veteran" or "special guest ring announcer".
- Number 24 covers that statement. Alot of the sources cover more than one sentence.--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- "with the added stipulation that if Cage lost, he would be forced to join The Main Event Mafia" - source? Several other unsourced statements
- Like above, sources cover more than one sentence. 21 and 20 cover that, as well as 29. Everything is pretty much sourced. Added 10 new ones before I nominated the article.--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- What makes Prowrestlinghistory.com a reliable source?
- They get their information from magazines, DVDs, etc. However, they are only covering minor information. Times of matches and the attendance of the event. Been used it other FAs and GAs by WP:PW, namely Lockdown (2008) which I helped pass in 2009 (I'll admit, pretty bad but I plan to fix that article up a bit)--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This source doesn't talk about TNA, but about pro wrestling in general. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- It isn't meant to talk about TNA. It is only meant to talk about how wrestling works. The paragraph it is covering is an agreement through WP:PW and is universal for all wrestling PPVs. Usually it goes unsourced, but for FA I found a ref.--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll leave this point open so other reviewers can offer opinions on this. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:19, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright.--WillC 23:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll leave this point open so other reviewers can offer opinions on this. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:19, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- It isn't meant to talk about TNA. It is only meant to talk about how wrestling works. The paragraph it is covering is an agreement through WP:PW and is universal for all wrestling PPVs. Usually it goes unsourced, but for FA I found a ref.--WillC 21:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, and thank you for your comments. They mean alot. I'm glad I got someone to look over it so quickly. I'll try to fix all comments you have left or leave. I haven't nominated an article here since January 2009. And I haven't worked on a PPV since this one in 2009--WillC 22:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig/External Link check - no dabs or dead external links. --PresN 00:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
"Eight professional wrestling matches were featured on the event's card, with three including championships." I don't think the sentence is clear. It seems like the meaning is "including three for championships" or something like that.- Actually that is what it is supposed to mean. There were eight matches, and three titles were defended at the event, in three different matches.--WillC 02:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was asked on my talk page to come back and reply here. I just think the wording is more confusing than it needs to be. I've never heard of the phrase "matches ... including championships" before, and I'm sure I'm not along. If "including three for championships" is the true meaning, why not go with that? Or if you want to keep the present structure, go for "with three deciding championships." Either of those would be better than what's there now.Giants2008 (27 and counting) 03:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]- Okay, redone.--WillC 12:52, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually that is what it is supposed to mean. There were eight matches, and three titles were defended at the event, in three different matches.--WillC 02:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The last sentence of the lead is a fragment. Something appears missing the way it is now. Also, quotes are one of the few things in a lead section that generally should be referenced.- Hopefully I fixed it.--WillC 02:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Background: Feels like the order of "featuring Mick Foley through PPV providers" should be reversed.- Switched them.--WillC 02:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The word "featuring" was changed to "featured" as part of the switch. I think the grammar was better the other way.Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:09, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Switched them.--WillC 02:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Storyline: Add "the" to "where on-screen co-owner of TNA"? If you don't want to do this, try removing the commas bracketing Mick Foley's name.- Removed commas, makes it simpler.--WillC 02:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Preliminary matches: Hyphen for "ten man"?Space needed in "badfall".- Done.--WillC 02:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Excess word in "which Young won after a slamming Lethal into the mat...".- Removed the "a".--WillC 02:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Main event matches: "This followed later with Style missing a pele kick on Sting". Check the wrestler's name.Giants2008 (27 and counting) 20:40, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]- Added the "s" to Styles name.--WillC 02:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your comments Giant.--WillC 02:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Here is an image copyright check by Stifle.
- There is one fair use image and four freely-licensed images. All appear compliant. Stifle (talk) 09:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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