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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 10 August 2022 [1].

Sally Ride

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Nominator(s): Hawkeye7 (talk) and Askeuhd (talk)

This article is about Sally Ride, the third woman to fly in space. She is also the first astronaut known to have been LGBT (but not openly at the time of her spaceflight). The article is a popular one: it averages around 1,600 page views per day, and has been classified as a level 5 vital article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:36, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kusma

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I'll have some prose comments coming up soon, but I also see one "comprehensiveness" issue: her career as a physicist is not properly discussed in the body (all we have is "In 1989, Ride became a professor of physics at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD), and director of the California Space Institute."). The lead at least mentions "primarily researching nonlinear optics and Thomson scattering" but that is missing in the body. [2] [3] [4] are some of her articles that verify these research themes. It would be nice to know whether she stopped being a professor of physics at some point (it does appear she devoted herself more to outreach and popular science after a few years), whether she had PhD students etc. if this is known. (Depending on what sources can be found, I'd expect something between an extra sentence and an extra paragraph here, but there is currently an imbalance between how much we learn about her as an amateur tennis player versus how much we learn about her as a professional physicist). —Kusma (talk) 10:38, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Lead is a bit short and doesn't quite summarise the entire article.
    The lead was unchanged during my expansion of the article. I have added a bit more. Let me know if there is anything else that you think should be included.
  • "former Women's Tennis Association player" why not simplify to "former professional tennis player"? (For a moment, I was wondering whether "Tennis Association" is a specific type of tennis, like rugby league and rugby union).
    The WTA is the principal organizing body of women's professional tennis. Linked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Early life: link Presbyterian Church?
    Linked. And elders as well for those who don't know about Presbyterianism. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Her father served..." is followed by "he had gone" about a later period in his life. Tense seems off.
    Tweaked the tense. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The story about Swarthmore and homesickness for California would be easier to understand with a mention of the location of Swarthmore.
    Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in those days before Title IX women's tennis was not well-supported at the college level" Even after reading up on what Title IX is, I am not certain that this is relevant here (was men's tennis well supported at Swarthmore?) Either drop Title IX or explain why it is relevant.
    The article explains that it increased funding for women's sports. It should be burned into the brains of American readers. Because they had to spend equal amounts on women's sports as men's, and colleges have to spend prodigious sums on gridiron football, which women do not play, vast amounts of money were released for other sports. The reference also places events in the social context of the time. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Her foray into professional tennis was unsuccessful; her whole body ached" what was the extent of this foray? So far we have been told that she had the aim to become a professional tennis player, but not that she did anything towards this goal. What made her body ache?
    Added a bit more. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • mention who Billie Jean King is for the tennis-unaware
    I would assume she is one of the most famous living Americans, but sure. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Selection and training: no complaints here, nicely done.
  • STS-7: not a fan of linking "[[STS-7|seventh]] Space Shuttle mission" and "[[STS-1|first]] Space Shuttle mission"; I would prefer to include "Space Shuttle mission" in the link. Alternatively, something like "first Space Shuttle mission (STS-1)" would also work I think.
    Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Was there an interesting reason why Kraft preferred Fisher?
    Source doesn't say, but I believe it was because she was more at ease with the media. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The irony here is that Resnik was passed over because she was reticent with the media on account of the skeletons in her closet but Ride had bigger ones. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could mention that the photograph was taken by a camera on SPAS-1.
    Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "the runways at KFC" isn't it just one? STS-7 tells us it was brand new.
    Yes. Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • STS-41-G: The Crippen/quick turnaround story could be explained better (Crippen flew on both STS-41-C and STS-41-G but he seems to have been the only one on both of these?) Is the "crew training" discussed here the training for STS-41-G?
    Yes. Clarified. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I prefer "KSC" without definite article "the KSC" but both are fine. The article currently has both versions, please choose one consistently.
    Done. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "[Ride] immediately and gracefully began moving about" this isn't immediately after liftoff, but immediately after going into orbit?
    When the captain switches off the fasten seat belts sign. Clarified. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "manipulating the robot arm much faster than she had been trained" was the quick manipulation necessary for the shaking or was this just her showing off how awesome she was?
    The former. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Getaway Special" mention that these were small experimental payloads made by outside groups?
    Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cancelled mission: mention what time it was planned for, and that the Challenger disaster was in January 1986?
    Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rogers commission: mention when the investigation happened?
    Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • After NASA: "the end of the Cold War made this much less of an issue." but the Cold War hadn't yet ended in August 1989...
    Re-worded. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • As above, it would be nice to know more about her work as a physicist and whether she kept her position at UCSD.
    Added a bit. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mention what the position of NASA Administrator is (the second mention saying that it is the NASA administrator makes it sound like a much better position than some random mid-level administrator at NASA).
    I don't think that is necessary. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "a member of the Review of United States Human Space Flight Plans Committee, an independent review" the committee is not a review, they just performed one.
  • Awards: what is the "Lindbergh Eagle" and who awards it?
    The Charles Lindburgh Fund. Added. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • First two paragraphs in this section could be combined.
    Combined. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • American Women quarters: appeared in March, needs to be updated
    Updated. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • In popular culture: lots of very dry sentences with very little meat, a rather boring read not providing much context other than "these cultural references exist". Is the Janelle Monáe song just called "Sally Ride" or is it actually about this Sally Ride? Is "Ride On" about Sally?
    Yes. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • External links: Festivals link is broken for me. Camps is a domain squatter. If you link to the archived version of Sally Ride Science instead of the current one at UCSD, mention that it is the archive and from when. Whole section needs a spring cleaning.
    I think the archive links are of little value here, so substituted the current link. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:28, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A quite enjoyable article about an important astronaut. I expect I will be able to support once some issues are addressed (but note that I have not done any source checking). —Kusma (talk) 15:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good changes, but the nonlinear optics etc. from the lead that I mentioned at the top of the section are still not mentioned in the body. —Kusma (talk) 20:30, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added a reference to the papers she published. Ride retired from UCSD in 2007 and became at emerita, a position she held until her death in 2012. There is no record of her having supervised any PhD students. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:35, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Much better now. One more thing: The "cancelled mission" section heading is a bit weird if you read linearly, as it hasn't been cancelled yet, so "planned third mission"? (It isn't too much about the mission, though). —Kusma (talk) 20:38, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changed as suggested. Regrettably, I don't have much about the cancelled missions. Due to scheduling pressures of all kinds, it seems that the STS-61-I crew were reassigned to the STS-61-M mission, and a new crew assigned to STS-61-I, but the crew were still scheduled to fly in July. The core objectives of each mission were the same, but everything else changed quite a bit. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:56, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That's ok. Support. —Kusma (talk) 08:51, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Wehwalt

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  • " The purpose mission deployed two communications satellites and the first Shuttle pallet satellite (SPAS-1). " Is "purpose mission" a thing?
    Deleted stray word. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Her second space flight was the STS-41-G in 1984, " it's the "the" before the mission designation that's bothering me here.
    Added "mission" Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "After the war he went to Haverford College on the G.I. Bill, where he earned a master's degree in education at the University of California in Los Angeles,[2]: 4–6 " "where" seems to be referring to "Haverford College", but the degree seems to be from UCLA. By the way, it's "University of California, Los Angeles". And it's double-linked.
    Corrected. Unlinked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Did a pass through the article removing duplicate links. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:17, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Although Ride was rated number 1 at Stanford and Tyson was number six, the two played doubles together." Leaving aside the question of whether the "although" is justified, why "1" and "six"?
    They wanted her to play with number two. Changed "1" to "one". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "National Air and Space Administration (NASA)" AIR?
    Heh. That's a good one. Concealed by a redirect. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The crew presented Reagan" Whodat? Not linked or otherwise identified.
    You have to be a certain age to remember the Great Communicator. I had the privilege of hearing him speak once. Linked an identified. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I had the privilege of seeing him go into the Army and Navy Club when I was a law student in DC. He waved to me and the small number of people who happened to be on the street.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:02, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Once in orbit immediately and gracefully began moving about." Odd sentence.
    Added missing word. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "She still performed her astronaut spouse duties for Hawley when he flew in space for the second time on STS-61-C in January 1986, which included the post-mission publicity tour." Can more be said about what these were? I imagine they did not include waiting behind a white picket fence and holding up signs "SO PROUD"?
    I have expanded on it. The inclusion of spouses in publicity tours etc dates back to the days of Project Mercury. I would hope it has been re-thought and no longer occurs. It must have been awful for them, but Ride's non-appearance would have too obvious, and questions would have been asked. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "She was paid a professor's salary of $64,000 (equivalent to $140,000 in 2021) plus $6,000 (equivalent to $13,000 in 2021) as director of Cal Space, which employed 28 full- and part-time staff and had a budget of $3.3 million. (equivalent to $7 million in 2021).[37]" Do we need three inflation templates? Surely the reader will get the picture as to the current value of 1987 dollars with one.
    Deleted the second one. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "She once again turned down an offer to become the NASA administrator, but served on the board of the National Math and Science Initiative in 2007 " Did Obama offer her the post? A year should be put in here, since you are going back from 2008 to 2007.
    Fortunately, we have an account from Lori Garver. Garver contacted Ride about whether she she would agree to have her name put forward, but Ride made it clear that she did not want the job. So there was no formal request from Obama. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Ride died on July 23, 2012, at the age of 61, in her home in La Jolla." I would probably say "at her home" etc.
    Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:08, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's it.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:57, 23 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Wehwalt (talk) 16:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

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Pass: Source review Comments by Dugan Murphy

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Will add some comments here soon. Dugan Murphy (talk) 21:16, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason I felt compelled to look at all the citations first.

  • Citation 21: Why no page number for a citation in a 240-page book? And why does it say it is in Arabic when the Google Books link shows it in English?
    Added page numbers. Don't know where the Arabic language tag came from. Removed. It is not known how many tampons were actually packed. Ride did not use them; she did not menstruate. On her mission, Judy Resnik entertained the boys by pulling a seemingly endless bandolier of tampons from the kit like a magician pulling a scarf from her hat, so there may well have been 100. It was observed that anyone who needed so many would probably die from blood loss. Apparently, it was many years before someone tried one, only to find that they dio not work in space. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citation 38: The D in the author's name should be capitalized if this is the same person, which seems likely to me.
    I see what happened here. On the linked newspaper page it is all capitalised. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Citation 39, being a list of publications by Ride to support to support "Her research primarily involved the study of nonlinear optics and Thomson scattering" smells a little but like original research to me. What do you think?
    Seems a reasonable summary of the subjects of the papers to me and the contents of the source page to me. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I think you're right. Dugan Murphy (talk) 21:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll continue looking at the citations and will write more. Dugan Murphy (talk) 22:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why not declare this to be a source review? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. I just changed the heading. Dugan Murphy (talk) 21:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More source review comments below.

And that's what I found when I combed through the list of citations. Aside from any issues raised above, this list seems to me to include all reliable sources. Mostly my comments are nitpicky formatting consistency issues, opportunities for Wikilinks, and the like. Dugan Murphy (talk) 21:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All points addressed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:18, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed they are addressed. I'd say this nomination passes my source review. All reliable sources, formatted appropriately, easy to follow the citations to the original texts to corroborate the claims made.
@Hawkeye7: If you have time, this FAC nomination is stalled and could really use a source review or more general comments. I hope you can help! Dugan Murphy (talk) 12:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Figureskatingfan

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Sorry I'm so late to the party; been meaning to come here for a while. I support this article's promotion to FA. It's very well-written and interesting, and the sources, as stated above, are all exemplary. Congrats to Hawkeye7 for all the hard work and scholarship that went into it. Keep up the good work. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 18:51, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Balon Greyjoy

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Nice work! I support this nom. Balon Greyjoy (talk) 15:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The block quote renders strangely, with a comma after Ride's name and then the citation bracket link. Is there any way to take out the comma using that template? Balon Greyjoy (talk) 15:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Done. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]


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