Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Queen's Guard/archive1
Self-Nomination. Hopefully, this article is fairly comprehensive about the subject it covers. I've added several different reference links to it, so if there is anything missing, please feel free to add it. I do feel that this article would be a worthy addition to the list of featured articles. Hammersfan, 7/8/05.
- Object
The images Image:Towersentries.JPG, Image:Oldguardnewguard.jpg, Image:Stjamessentry.jpg, Image:Queen'slifeguard.JPG are claimed as "fair use", but are also claimed to have been produced by the uploader. This is unusual: is the creator providing them to Wikipedia without it be done so under the GFDL or a Creative Commons license?- The image Image:Guardmounting.jpg has no source or copyright information.
Object - (i) I'm sure there is more to say: for example, what does the Hounslow battalion do? What about other royal residences (say, Clarence House, or Windsor, or Sandringham, or Balmoral)? Is the "monthly schedule" only for July 2005, in which case what is happening in August and later months, or for the foreseeable future? Are there any other public duties (for example, the guard for the Ceremony of the Keys at the Tower of London is mentioned in passing, but a paragraph could be added here easily). (ii) The lead section is inadequate. (iii) There is no "References" section: presumably some of the "External links" are references, but there must be relevant paper references too.-- ALoan (Talk) 10:37, 9 August 2005 (UTC)- I have rectified the objections to the various images by adding the correct copyright template to each. I have also inserted the situations regarding the named royal residences, and added a paragraph, as suggested, about the Tower and Windsor guards. However, as this is not an article about public duties, but rather one about a specific public duty, I have not added anything about other tasks, as there is an acceptable article about public duties which I have linked to. I have also added links to the various articles explaining that the Hounslow battalion is simply another public duties unit, performing the same tasks as the two battalions of Guards. -- Hammersfan 16:48, 9 August 2005
- Neutral - thanks for the response: I think my objections are dealt with adequately, although the additions could do with linkifying. I still can't help thinking that the article could and should be better, but as I can't think of anything specific, I will not object. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:22, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
- Image:Queen'slifeguard.JPG is still tagged as fair use. Did you simply forget to update the tag, or is it really under fair use? Also, the license terms on Image:Guardmounting.jpg appear to be {{noncommercial}} or possibly even more restrictive: this is not an acceptable license for images on Wikipedia. --Carnildo 18:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
- I have changed the licence on Image:Queen'slifeguard.JPG; yes, I did forget to change it as it happens. I have also removed the Image:Guardmounting.jpg image and replaced it with one from another source. Hammersfan 21:45, 9 August 2005
- If the image Image:RCRbuckinghampalace.JPG is going to be used under "fair use", it needs to comply with the rules at Wikipedia:Fair use and Wikipedia:Image description page#Fair use rationale. --Carnildo 22:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
- I have added rationale to the Image:RCRbuckinghampalace.JPG image. I have also looked at the rules of Fair Use and am confident that it meets them. I have also added the {{AustraliaGov}} tag to Image:Guardmounting.jpg; I would prefer that this image be included, as it is of better quality than the other image, but am prepared to accept if it is felt to go against any licence agreement. Hammersfan 09:45 10 August 2005
- Since {{AustraliaGov}} is a fair-use tag, Image:Guardmounting.jpg can be used under "fair use" if you can come up with a rationale. Keep in mind that "public domain" is a specific legal status, and does not apply to images or derivative works of images that are currently under copyright. --Carnildo 18:13, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
- I have added rationale to the Image:RCRbuckinghampalace.JPG image. I have also looked at the rules of Fair Use and am confident that it meets them. I have also added the {{AustraliaGov}} tag to Image:Guardmounting.jpg; I would prefer that this image be included, as it is of better quality than the other image, but am prepared to accept if it is felt to go against any licence agreement. Hammersfan 09:45 10 August 2005
- If the image Image:RCRbuckinghampalace.JPG is going to be used under "fair use", it needs to comply with the rules at Wikipedia:Fair use and Wikipedia:Image description page#Fair use rationale. --Carnildo 22:08, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
- I have rectified the objections to the various images by adding the correct copyright template to each. I have also inserted the situations regarding the named royal residences, and added a paragraph, as suggested, about the Tower and Windsor guards. However, as this is not an article about public duties, but rather one about a specific public duty, I have not added anything about other tasks, as there is an acceptable article about public duties which I have linked to. I have also added links to the various articles explaining that the Hounslow battalion is simply another public duties unit, performing the same tasks as the two battalions of Guards. -- Hammersfan 16:48, 9 August 2005
- Object. Lots of facts, but it's just not dazzling prose. The article needs more context and flavor, and less rote exposition of which units, how many men, and where they're stationed. How long has there been a Queen's Guard? Is it a prestigious assignment for a unit? Has the Queen's Guard ever been involved in a significant security incident (like say an assassination attempt?) The intro especially needs rewriting. The first half of the first sentence is OK, but listing the royal residences and stating which residences have mounted guards is material for the body of the article, not the intro. The intro should be a short, reader-drawing summary. Isomorphic 08:24, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
