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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 01:03, 6 December 2011 [1].

Persoonia levis

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Nominator(s): Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:31, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This plant is amazing to see in the Sydney bushland - like someone coloured in its leaves with green fluoro marker - and this was the one I'd meant to buff up to FA but got mental block so did another one instead. Am now unblocked mentally and reckon it's over the line. If not, should be easy to fix. I figure by writing about it I can actually germinate and grow the damn plant (magical thinking). Anyway, have at it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:31, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PS, this is a wikicu...oh wait, never mind.....Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:33, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note, permission for second nom. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - spotchecks not done. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:35, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Include both authors for Wrigley citations?
not sure how to do that with sfn template - will read up on it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:41, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Be consistent in whether or not you provide publisher locations
was one book. got it now Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:41, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
tricky one as the first of the periods is an abbreviation in the publisher ("co." for "company"), and the second one is a routine period. Theoretically it'd look better to only have one there but does one period do two jobs...? Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:09, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The cite book template documentation recommends leaving out "corporate designation such as "Ltd" or "Inc".", which solves the problem of double periods, so I did that here. Sasata (talk) 20:15, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Link check - no DAB-links, no dead external links, 1 overlink fixed. GermanJoe (talk) 22:17, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Images are great; File:Persoonia levis bark nowra email.jpg could do with an information template (any reason there's "email" in the title? If you took the photo, there shouldn't be a problem). J Milburn (talk) 20:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I cropped it and just gave it the rename on my computer and forgot to change as I uploaded. I'm not an admin on commons so can't rename there and never bothered getting round to ask one. Am happy for anyone to do so. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looking good. A few thoughts-

  • "coined the name Persoonia salicina in describing it in his 1805 work Synopsis Plantarum," Clunky
declunked Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Linkia levis" or "Linkia lævis"?
Cavanilles used "levis" in his original text, but some subsequent authors would sometimes say "lævis" (like "encyclopædia") and it is seen as an alternate spelling, however the use is dying out. I was just thrilled to be able to use "æ" in an article...a folly of mine which I will extinguish now....Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:29, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does "geebung" mean? That's an odd word
it's a local aboriginal word which has been applied to the whole genus in eastern Australia.Was wondering whether to includ terminology on speices pages but your curiosity suggests yes... added now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Persoonia levis has seven chromosomes, as do most other members of the genus, and they are large compared to those of other Proteaceae." The chromosones of the genus are large or the chromosones of the species are large?
of the genus. will think how to unambiguify had a go. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "and hybrids with P. acerosa, P. lanceolata, P. linearis, P. mollis subsp. ledifolia, P. myrtilloides subsp. myrtilloides (in the Upper Blue Mountains, these plants resemble P. lanceolata[5]), P. oxycoccoides, and P. stradbrokensis" This seems incomplete; or are you using "hybrids" as a verb?
woops, + have been recorded Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The large green leaves measure 6 to 14 cm (2.2–5.5 in) in length, and 1.3 to 8 cm (0.5–3.2 in) wide, and oblong or sickle-shaped (falcate)." and are?
yup.added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The central style is surrounded by the anther and which splits into four segments, which curl back and resemble a cross when viewed from above." Rephrase?
rejigged Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's evergreen, I assume? Is this worth mentioning explicitly?
interesting question - just about all species here are, with only a few notable exceptions. None of my guidebooks calls it such..and evergreen also has a connotation with conifers colloquially (?) Need to think about this one. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Weighing 1700 mg, the fruit are adapted to be eaten by vertebrates, such as kangaroos and possums, as well as currawongs and other large birds." Presumably, then, the plant benefits from its fruit being eaten?
I can't find anything specific for this plant - for lanceolata, analysis showed these animals excreted the seed intact (and the stomach contents somehow help the damn things germinate - I actuyally have some seed I will try to germinate and am thinking of how to facilitate this - they otherwise take up to 2 years to do so (!!!!)) whereas rats chewed the seed up and excreted fragments. That reference doesn't elaborate, but the implication is that generally fleshy berry-sized things are designed to be plucked by vertebrates and carried off or eaten.. Casliber (talk · contribs)
  • "P. levis is the food plant of the larvae of the weevil species Eurhynchus laevior.[24]" Feels a little tacked on. Not sure what to do with it, but letting you know anyway.
Yeah I know, that was frustrating to figure out where to go - how about this rearrangement? Not optimal but a bit better flow-wise maybe. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:24, 5 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I also gave it some light copyediting, feel free to revert if you disagree. J Milburn (talk) 22:19, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a look at your fixes, and it's looking better. I'm going to hold off support for now to see if anyone else raises anything. J Milburn (talk) 12:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay - I uploaded a few more photos which I took today onto commons (in the species category) too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:32, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Auree ★
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Although I'm no expert on the subject, the article appears to be very comprehensive. The images are quite supplementary and the prose is engaging, with a few qualms here and there. Auree ★ 00:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lede
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:05, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • P. levis interbreeds with several other species where they grow together – the latter part could be reworded.
  • are likely to be consumed → are often consumed?
trimmed - often is actually redundant too Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:01, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • P. levis is rare in cultivation as it is very hard to propagate. – this sentence seems a tad terse compared to the rest of the lede's prose.
lengthened...better? Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:05, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Much! Auree ★ 12:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Taxonomy
  • Persoonia levis has seven chromosomes which are large compared to those of other Proteaceae. – comma before "which"?
Now this is tricky. I left the comma out so that a reader could see that both bits also are qualified by the "Like most other members of the genus," - if you think a comma doesn't cloud the picture, I'll be happy to add it in....? Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:54, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. In that case, it'd be best to change it to "that are large," so the clause is also correct. Auree ★ 12:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
yep, done Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:45, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there an appropriate wikilink to Upper Blue Mountains? If so, it would help a lot to link it.
I found Blue Mountains (New South Wales). I'll add it to the article. Auree ★ 12:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The annoying thing here is, as a local, we all colloquially subdivide into Upper and Lower Blue Mountains but can't find a ref to support it.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:09, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Description
  • In this section, it might be useful to wikilink to bark
  • Within the bark are epicormic buds which sprout new growth after bushfire. – comma before "which"?
comma added Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:55, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The large green leaves measure 6 to 14 cm (2.2–5.5 in) in length, and 1.3 to 8 cm (0.5–3.2 in) wide, – "and 1.3 to 8 cm (0.5-3.2 in) in width"?
conformed Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:58, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Their asymmetrical shape is a distinguishing feature. – Distinguishing for whom, and according to whom?
If you see this official NSW herbarium key to the genus, it is a diagnostic feature - generally the most similar species is P. lanceolata which has smaller symmetrical leaves. I'll reword reworded. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The bright green foliage, particularly of new growth, stands out against the more subdued tones of the surrounding vegetation, and the stems which are reddish in colour → "[...] stands out against the more subdued tones of the surrounding vegetation and the stems, which are reddish in colour."
Any luck on this? Auree ★ 22:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:47, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • and peak over December to February. – Peak in size? Or in color?
in numbers - there are the most flowers appearing in this time. I thought that was straightforward. Shall I rephrase? Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, it's fine. This was probably my tropical cyclone nature speaking to me (peak in strength, peak in size, etc.), but I can see it being a common term in botany : P Auree ★ 12:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does an appropriate wikilink exist for "style"? Style (botany) redirects to Gynoecium; are these terms synonymous enough?
bit messy but ok. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:05, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:05, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Distribution and habitat
  • The annual rainfall of the area it occurs in the Sydney Basin → "The annual rainfall of the Sydney Basin area it occurs in"?
the rainfall in the Sydney Basin varies more than this, this value refers specifically to the area within the Sydney Basin where the plant occurs Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, just the "of the area it occurs in the Sydney Basin" read a bit odd. Auree ★ 12:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Furthermore, in what way does this amount affect the plant so that it deserves a mention in the article?
It is parameter of the habitat of the plant, much like discussing soil or ecological community Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ecology
  • Persoonia levis is one of several species of Persoonia which regenerate by resprouting from its trunk after bushfire – faulty clause, change to "that regenerate". Also, "regenerate" implies the subject (species of Persoonia) is plural, but "its" implies it's singular. Please reword it so it's not contradictory.
changed to "that" and "the" - "their trunk" sounds odd, and "their trunks" sounds like they are wearing swimming costumes... Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bees of subgenus Filiglossa in the same genus, that also specialise in feeding on Persoonia flowers, do not appear to be effective pollinators. – both commas seem unnecessary to me.
I removed them but I dunno...I suppose it is a short enough sentence not to get lost in one long clause... Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's just that you cannot use commas with the restrictive clause (that). I agree that the sentence is a bit verbose without them, so it might be better to switch "that" with "which" and keep the commas, though that would alter the meaning of the sentence slightly. Auree ★ 15:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weighing 1700 mg, – should there be a conversion to lbs?
Actually, it'd be silly to try and convert this to lbs. For consistency with the conversions to other US customary units, though, it might be convenient to convert it into grains (gr). In all honesty, I'm not too familiar with US units, heh Auree ★ 23:06, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The flowers of P. levis are self-incompatible, that is they are unable to fertilise themselves and require outcrossing to another plant. → "The flowers of P. levis are self-incompatible—that is, they are unable to fertilise themselves and require outcrossing to another plant." Either that or replace the em-dash with a semicolon.
I'll pay that - love mdashes Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:59, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Any change with these last three points? Auree ★ 22:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, my free time has been patchy - am getting to these. A good way to make the page clearer is to put a line though points that you feel have been addressed (or explained) satisfactorily like this Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:28, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I've been thinking about doing that. It's just that in some previous FACs, a few editors seemed a bit irked when I struck some resolved comments while the review was still ongoing. Don't worry, take your time on addressing the remain issues—I saw you reply to the FAC so I was just making sure you didn't overlook them. Auree ★ 01:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Cultivation
  • Well drained sandy soils in sun or part shade are needed for this plant in a garden situation." – hyphenate "Well-drained", and change "this" to "the".
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • although slowly → "albeit slowly"
heh, I get a chance to use "albeit" :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:49, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Plantsmen in England germinated seed there as early as 1795. → "Platsmen germinated seed in England as early as 1795."?
changed Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Images
  • The caption for File:Persoonia levis habit4 grnp.jpg seems insufficient to me. On a different note, I'm assuming the shrub also occurs in the Georges River National Park, but nothing is said about this in the article.
Aha, well spotted - the reference does not mention it. I will find a ref and add. found one and added. Regarding the caption, what else would you like it to say? I meant to link to Habit (biology) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:13, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nice work overall, Calisber! I enjoyed reading about this unknown shrub species. The article is thorough and contains mostly wikilink and minor prose issues, so I'll be happy to support once these have been addressed. If you have time, I'd appreciate it if you could look at my own FAC. Auree ★ 00:40, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support now. The comments have been addressed satisfactorily, and the article is a great read. Any remaining issues should be extremely minor and non-detrimental to this article's much-deserved FA status, so I am happy to support. Great work! Auree ★ 15:23, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - much appreciated. Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:49, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment article should use a consistent citation method throughout (WP:CITEVAR), so you should use short citations and place full citations in a separate section (example), as you did for Wrigley's work, or place all full citations in footnotes. — Z 14:06, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Given there were only three pages reffed in the book anyway, tweaked to single ref now Casliber (talk · contribs) 18:58, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just created this template to fix the lack of navbox, you can use that if you'd like, but the problem is red links, which usually should not be used in navboxes. — Z 21:46, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(chuckles evilly) but zey von't be redlinks for long.....mwahahahahahaaaa. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:29, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
thanks (and ditto for two supports below)! Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:16, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
oops. unit conversion fixed and continent/country de-linked now Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:35, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Comments – In the interests of efficiency, I took the liberty of making several copyedits that I would usually bring up here and make you do ;) Please revert anything you don't like. I'm close to supporting, but have some minor issue first: Sasata (talk) 20:11, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Meets FAC criteria. Sasata (talk) 03:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"'look ok Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:01, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • the Westen 1995 source is over 50 pages, and I think it needs to be cited to individual pages to help the reader who wants to verify the claims
was the chapter on the genus - extracted the four pages specific to the species. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:01, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • the wiki Commons link in the references section prevent the refs from being two columns... nothing major, but it bugs me
tried rejigging - commonslink in cultivation segment now. 23:10, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
  • It also bugs me that the Dist & Habitat header is pushed right by the image in the preceding section... perhaps move to the right?
I chose a flatter more horizontal image so it wouldn't jut down so much - does that help? Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:04, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think some of those old Latin texts cited in Taxonomy are available at Biodiversity Heritage Library, and directs links to the cited pages would be a nice touch
The cavanilles one was in some spanish website which I can't find now (frustratingly), but is on google books. I'm keeping looking. The botanicus.org site has Persoon (1805) and Brown (1810), but I can't link to page directly, however clicking on the page in the left-hand column links to the correct page there (so is two steps). Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I added the direct links (you can copy the link given under the page listing when that page is being displayed). Sasata (talk) 03:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Aha thanks, I'll remember that next time....Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:53, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
?...oh redlinks Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Added months to lead (must be a blind spot of mine...) Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:23, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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