Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Percy Chapman/archive1

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The article was promoted by GrahamColm 18:03, 16 October 2012 [1].

Percy Chapman

Featured article candidates/Percy Chapman/archive1

Nominator(s): Sarastro1 (talk) 12:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Percy Chapman was an extremely glamorous England cricket captain in the 1920s and 1930s. He was the golden boy of cricket, who had it all from an early age and there seemed little limit on what he could do. But by the end of his career, he was an overweight alcoholic who quite possibly captained England while drunk on the field. Over the following years, he declined pretty quickly and died a lonely, alcohol-ravaged figure. I've been working at this for a while, and it is currently a GA and had a PR by Brianboulton. All comments welcome. Sarastro1 (talk) 12:20, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Comments by Lemurbaby~~ Excellent (if technical) prose, and an interesting read about someone who was once on everyone's lips, but who I'd never heard about before. Well done putting this article together. Just a few nitpicks:

"contemporaries rated him extremely highly" - very highly ?

I think extremely is better, as he really was rated among the absolute best ever. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All right Lemurbaby (talk) 04:28, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"spent his final years, mainly alone" - comma not needed

I think it is, actually, as mainly alone is parenthetical phrase and so there is another comma after "alone". Sarastro1 (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To me, these two pieces are one thought that doesn't need to be interrupted, because it makes no sense to make this statement by itself: "I spend my years." But let's see if others weigh in. I won't withhold support over this. Lemurbaby (talk) 04:28, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"the team achieved seven consecutive team" - is this right?

Ouch! No, thanks for spotting that. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- Lemurbaby (talk) 18:22, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the comments and kind words. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Lemurbaby (talk) 04:28, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Image Review

Percy Chapman.jpg : appropriate copyright, Commons, appropriate use in article
APF Chapman.jpg : appropriate copyright, Commons, appropriate use in article
Sydney Mail, Nov 15 1922, p 6.jpg : appropriate copyright, Commons, appropriate use in article
StateLibQld 1 233112... : needs a US copyright tag, otherwise okay

Done. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. Lemurbaby (talk) 04:28, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Douglas_Jardine_Cigarette_Card.jpg : appropriate copyright, Commons, appropriate use in article

Support: I carried out a detailed peer review here. I hope to see comments here from other reviewers; pending that, my view is that this article continues the high standards found in recent cricket articles, which have hugely improved in the last few years. These articles are best when the subject has human dimensions beyond the field of performance, and Chapman's sad story of decline is a great example of this. Brianboulton (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the kind words and the usual invaluable help and advice. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:38, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments –

~~Don't think the second word in "County Cricket" needs the capitalization.~~

I think the convention is to for both words to be capitals. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~University cricket: "He took part in a variety of social engagements and also became involved in other sports." The "also" is redundant to "and", and could easily be removed.~~

Agreed. Done. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"where critics considered he could have reached a high standard if motivated to do so". Is "where critics considered he could have" a standard formulation in British writing? Here we'd just use "believed" or something.

Changed to "thought" and reworded slightly. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~MCC tour to Australia and New Zealand: Don't need two New South Wales cricket team links here.~~

Fixed. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Ashes series of 1926: Is "a" missing from "but fielded as substitute"?~~

Strangely, no. The convention in cricket is to field as substitute rather than "a substitute", which would suggest a slightly different meaning. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Stray quotation mark after "The correspondent also commented".~~

Fixed. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Aftermath and success: Space needed after ref 76 in the last paragraph of the section.~~ Giants2008 (Talk) 15:35, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments so far. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Decline: "to the extent of dropping down the batting in order to avoid doing so". Would this be better as "to the extent of dropping down the batting order to avoid doing so"? That avoids a possible redundancy while placing an "order" in a spot where it is useful.

Agreed, thanks for that one. Sarastro1 (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A reference would be nice for note 7, since the others have them. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:32, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Surprisingly tricky to find a reference. Added one which pretty much covers it. Sarastro1 (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support; a read through reveals no obvious concerns. There are a few points at which I might have phrased things slightly differently, but nothing of any worry. As usual, a very well written article about an interesting chap in the history of English cricket, well done. Harrias ^talk 10:09, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the support. Sarastro1 (talk) 13:04, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed comments from Crisco 1492

Support on prose. Interesting and fairly comprehensible even to those with no background in cricket. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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